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Re: Facebook is cooked

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Do you think you should have full control over the web browser on the computer you own?

“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.” Having the right to choose what you see doesn't mean you should choose to build yourself an ideological bubble.

I avoid hateful people and pub bores in real life, too.

If you use the web without an ad blocker, more power to you, I guess.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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post #202

My mother is an international flight attendant in her 60s. I recently caught a glimpse of her Facebook and I was shocked to discover a version of the website that seemed to be the platonic ideal of exactly what all the Facebook PMs intended. Her feed was filled with the photos of her friends and coworkers international trips and holidays, posts in groups for planning activities in her most frequented cities. But I di…

My FB experience is still fine after all these years. I can't find anything in my feed that isn't either a post a) to a group I'm in, b) by a page I follow, or c) by a friend. These days, a) and b) make up the majority of posts – many of the groups have no equivalent elsewhere and are a major reason why I still use FB. Even the reels/shorts/whatever that FB suggests are mostly nice and relevant – cats, trains, music. No slop, no thirst traps, no politics beyond what I choose to follow, not even ads because those are blocked.

Honestly, I've been wondering what other relevant social media there even is for someone like me, an early 40s millennial. Twitter I refuse to use, and nobody's on Bluesky. Instagram is… fine, I guess, and more lively and "feel-good" in some sense, and also used by the younger folk, but there's less "engagement" beyond liking something and scrolling on. On Facebook comments and actual conversation are in a much bigger role, at least for me. Reddit is great, assuming you curate your subreddits, but I don't have friends there.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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post #476
post #384

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My wife was complaining about far right knuckle draggers turning up in her feed. I assume the algorithm was shovelling more of them at her because she was rubbernecking. I told her to try a "block every time" approach. It took about two weeks until her feed was (mostly) free of them but it still throws one at her now and again. I offer this as a data point about how hard it is to turn a polluted feed around. But I'm…

How can we complain that everyone is siloed and no one talks to each other and complian that their feed is full of ideas outside of the silo.

The worst to me is the way people dehumanize other people who don't agree with them.

The other side politically doesn't just have different views, they are barely human knuckle draggers. Basically neanderthals, so who cares if they go extinct.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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post #476

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How can we complain that everyone is siloed and no one talks to each other and complian that their feed is full of ideas outside of the silo.

I want Facebook to be like the current top post on here: my family and friends social stuff. I can come to hn to get out of my silo.

My wife uses the app, hence the "consistently block the assholes" approach. But if you're willing to stick to the website I can actually offer you this. Write a browser plugin that redirects you to "/?filter=all&sk=h_chr" every time you land on "/". That's what I use for myself.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Unfortunately, those are also being surveilled by Meta, so the exodus from Facebook did not help. Consider Signal or a private XMPP server.

I convinced my family to try Signal, and after a month of not being able to connect despite knowing each other's numbers - silent errors - I had to apologize and join them on WhatsApp. They all use iMessage primarily, but that's a whole other can-of-worms conversation. (Screw Apple.)

Got my entire family on Signals (sisters, brothers, in-laws, parents, nephews…). We're very happy but could extend that to second degrees(?), to cousins and uncles. We're were close to succeed but we needed help (media, mostly).

Re: Facebook is cooked

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> You also don’t systematically evaluate all CEOs of all products to use. We certainly evaluate companies on their CEOs if their CEOs make themselves high profile enough. You are certainly judged here if you have a Tesla because of Musk hence why sales have dropped 50%. Other companies that don't have as high profile CEOs can get away with terrible points of view.

Oh yeah? How is the ceo of your power company? Your refrigerator? Your garage door? I just am very skeptical any of this is based on a harm based model of morality. Instead it smells like concern about perception or status: > You are certainly judged here if you have a Tesla

> Other companies that don't have as high profile CEOs can get away with terrible points of view.

> > Oh yeah? How is the ceo of your power company? Your refrigerator? Your garage door?

If they hide their terrible opinions then its hard to made judgements.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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post #476

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How can we complain that everyone is siloed and no one talks to each other and complian that their feed is full of ideas outside of the silo.

The worst to me is the way people dehumanize other people who don't agree with them. The other side politically doesn't just have different views, they are barely human knuckle draggers. Basically neanderthals, so who cares if they go extinct.

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Re: Facebook is cooked

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post #521

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Moderation and recommendation are not the same thing.

When you have a feed with a million posts in it, they are. There is no practical difference between removing something and putting it on page 5000 where no one will ever see it, or from the other side, moderating away everything you wouldn't recommend. Likewise, if you have a feed at all, it has to be in some order. Should it show everyone's posts or only people you follow? Should it show posts by popularity or somet…

I think maybe you shouldn't have a feed with a million posts in it? Like how many friends do you have? And how often do they post?

Re: Facebook is cooked

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post #277

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International flight attendant. So the algorithms for people that travel internationally a lot are drastically different from the people who remain stationary. If Facebook wanted to prevent themselves from negative publicity, they might have a different experience for the people who have political power (international travel might be the best proxy for that) What you're referring to may also be part of their XCheck p…

I think you're overthinking it. She probably just has a lot of real people connections and drives the algo to meaningful interactions. When a ghost logs in, they don't know what to show so default to "general" spam which is just AI generated woman.

> When a ghost logs in ... so default to "general"

I do this with youtube - and I get to see what is broadly popular.

It is grim.

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