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You would probably be surprised to learn that computational theory has little to no talk of "transistors, memory caches, and storage media". You could run Crysis on an abacus and render it on board of colored pegs if you had the patience for it. It cannot be stressed enough that discovering computation (solving equations and making algorithms) is a different field than executing computation (building faster component…

Not surprised at all. My point is that it takes more hand-waving and magic belief to anthropomorphize LLM systems than it does to treat them as what they are. You gain nothing from understanding them as if they were no different than people and philosophizing about whether a Turing machine can simulate a human brain. Fine for a science fiction novel that is asking us what it means to be a person or question the moral…

I don't see where I mentioned LLMs or what they have to do with a discussion about compute substrates.

My point is that it is incredibly unlikely the brain has any kind of monopoly on the algorithms it executes. Contrary to your point, a brain is in fact a computer.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…

> It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address those needs while also accepting technically sound contributions.” That would have been devastating in its clarity and almost impossible to dismiss. Idk, I'…

> That would have been devastating in its clarity and almost impossible to dismiss.

This sounds utterly psychotic lol. I'm not sure I want devastating clarity; that sounds like it wants me to question my purpose in life.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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No matter what this discussion leads to the same black box of "What is it that differentiates magical human meat brain computation from cold hard dead silicon brain computation" And the answer is nobody knows, and nobody knows if there even is a difference. As far as we know, compute is substrate independent (although efficiency is all over the map).

This is the worst possible take. It dismisses an entire branch of science that has been studying neurology for decades. Biological brains exist, we study them, and no they are not like computers at all. There have been charlatans repeating this idea of a “computational interpretation,” of biological processes since at least the 60s and it needs to be known that it was bunk then and continues to be bunk. Update : Ther…

> There have been charlatans repeating this idea of a “computational interpretation,” of biological processes since at least the 60s and it needs to be known that it was bunk then and continues to be bunk.

I do have to react to this particular wording.

RNA polymerase literally slides along a tape (DNA strand), reads symbols, and produces output based on what it reads. You've got start codons, stop codons, state-dependent behavior, error correction.

That's pretty much the physical implementation of a Turing machine in wetware, right there.

And then you've got Ribosomes reading RNA as a tape. That's another time where Turing seems to have been very prescient.

And we haven't even gotten into what the proteins then get up to after that yet, let alone neurons.

So calling 'computational interpretation' bunk while there's literal Turing machines running in every cell might be overstating your case slightly.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

#604

The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…

In case its not clear, the vehicle might be the agent/bot but the whole thing is heavily drafted by its owner. This is a well known behavior by OpenClown's owners where they project themselves through their agents and hide behind their masks. More than half the posts on moltbook are just their owners ghost writing for their agents. This is the new cult of owners hurting real humans hiding behind their agentic masks.…

It's about time someone democratised botnet technology. Just needs a nice SaaS subscription plan and a 7 day free trial.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

#605
I think in cases like this we should blame the human not the agent. They chose to run AI without oversight. To make open source maintainers verify their automation instead - and to what aim? And then to allow the automation to write on their behalf

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It's insane... And it's also very expectable. An LLM will simply never drop it, without loosing anything (nor it's energy, nor it reputation etc). Let that sink in ;) What does it mean for us? For soceity? How do we shield from this? You can purchase a DDOS attack, you purchase a package for "relentlessly, for months on end, destroy someone's reputation." What a world!

> What does it mean for us? For soceity? How do we shield from this? Liability for actions taken by agentic AI should not pass go, not collect $200, and go directly to the person who told the agent to do something. Without exception. If your AI threatens someone, you threatened someone. If your AI harasses someone, you harassed someone. If your AI doxxed someone, etc. If you want to see better behavior at scale, we n…

With this said how do you find said controller of an agent? I mean trying to hunt down humans causing shit over national borders is difficult to impossible as it is. Now imagine you chase a person down and find a bot instead and a trail of anonymous proxies?

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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> And this tells you something important about what these systems are actually doing. It mostly tells me something about the things you presume, which are quite a lot. For one: That this is real (which it very well might be, happy to grant it for the purpose of this discussion) but it's a noteworthy assumption, quite visibility fueled by your preconceived notions. This is, for example, what racism is made of and not…

> We have no insight into what set of instructions produced this outcome. https://github.com/crabby-rathbun Found them!

I see none of the instructions there.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

#608

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You would probably be surprised to learn that computational theory has little to no talk of "transistors, memory caches, and storage media". You could run Crysis on an abacus and render it on board of colored pegs if you had the patience for it. It cannot be stressed enough that discovering computation (solving equations and making algorithms) is a different field than executing computation (building faster component…

Not surprised at all. My point is that it takes more hand-waving and magic belief to anthropomorphize LLM systems than it does to treat them as what they are. You gain nothing from understanding them as if they were no different than people and philosophizing about whether a Turing machine can simulate a human brain. Fine for a science fiction novel that is asking us what it means to be a person or question the moral…

> philosophizing about whether a Turing machine can simulate a human brain

Existence proof:

  * DNA transcription  (a Turing machine, as per (Turing 1936) )
  * Leads to Alan Turing by means of morphogenisis (Turing 1952)
  * Alan Turing has a brain that writes the two papers
  * Thus proving he is at least a turing machine (by writing Turing 1936)
  * And capable of simulating chemical processes (by writing Turing 1952)
Turing 1936: https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/Turing_Paper_1936.pdf

Turing 1952: https://www.dna.caltech.edu/courses/cs191/paperscs191/turing...

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With the exception of printers.

Printers prey specifically on fear. When talking to them, gotta be polite but firm. No more than three threats during the conversation, and the threats have to be credible.

Nah, just allude to Office Space and it'll be a totally different dynamic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wsjroVlu8

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

#610

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> I suspect the culture will have to retreat back behind the gates at some point, which will be very sad and shrink it further. I'm personally contemplating not publishing the code I write anymore. The things I write are not world-changing and GPLv3+ licensed only, but I was putting them out just in case somebody would find it useful. However, I don't want my code scraped and remixed by AI systems. Since I'm doing th…

> I don't want my code scraped and remixed by AI systems. Just curious - why not? Is it mostly about the commercial AI violating the license of your repos? And if commercial scraping was banned, and only allowed to FOSS-producing AI, would you be OK with publishing again? Or is there a fundamental problem with AI? Personally, I use AI to produce FOSS that I probably wouldn't have produced (to that extent) without it.…

> Just curious - why not?

Because that code is not out there for its license to be violated and earned money from it. All the choices from license and how it's shared is deliberate. The code out there is written by a human, for human consumption with strict terms to be kept open. In other words, I'm in this for fun, and my effort is not for resale, even if resale of it pays me royalties, because it's not there for that.

Nobody asked for my explicit consent before scraping it. Nobody told me that it'll be stripped from its license and sold and make somebody rich. I found that some of my code ended in "The Stack", which is arguably permissively licensed code only, but some forks of GPL repositories are there (i.e.: My fork of GNOME LightDM which contains some specific improvements).

I'm writing code for a long time. I have written a novel compression algorithm (was not great but completely novel, and I have published it), a multi-agent autonomous trading system when multi-agent systems were unknown to most people (which is my M.Sc. thesis), and a high performance numerical material simulation code which saturates CPUs and their memory busses to their practical limits. That code also contains some novel algorithms, one of them is also published, and it's my Ph.D. thesis as a whole.

In short, I write everything from scratch and optimize them by hand. None of its code is open, because I wanted to polish them before opening them, but they won't be opened anymore, because I don't want my GPL licensed novel code to be scraped and abused.

> Or is there a fundamental problem with AI?

No. I work with AI systems. I support or help designing them. If the training data is ethically sourced, if the model is ethically designed, that's perfectly fine. Tech is cool. How it's developed for the consumer is not. I have supported and taken part in projects which make extremely cool things with models many people scoff at find ancient, yet these models try to warn about ecosystem/climate anomalies and keep tabs on how some ecosystems are doing. There are models which automate experiments in labs. These are cool applications which are developed ethically. There are no training data which is grabbed hastily from somewhere.

None of my code is written by AI. It's written by me, with sweat, blood and tears, by staring at a performance profiler or debugger trying to understand what the CPU is exactly doing with that code. It's written by calculating branching depths, manual branch biasing to help the branch predictor, analyzing caches to see whether I can possibly fit into a cache to accelerate that calculation even further.

If it's a small utility, it's designed for utmost user experience. Standard compliant flags, useful help outputs, working console detection and logging subsystems. My minimum standard is the best of breed software I experienced. I aspire to reach their level and surpass them, I want my software feel on par with them, work as snappy as the best software out there. It's not meant to be proof of concept. I strive a level of quality where I can depend on that software for the long run.

And what? I put that effort out there for free for people to use it, just because I felt sharing it with a copyleft license is the correct thing to do.

But that gentleman's agreement is broken. Licenses are just decorative text now. Everything is up for grabs. We were a large band of friends who looked at each other's code and learnt from each other, never breaking the unwritten rules because we were trying to make something amazing for ourselves, for everyone.

Now that agreement is no more. It's the powerful's game now. Who has the gold is making the golden rules, and I'm not playing that game anymore. I'll continue to sharpen my craft, strive to write better code every time, but nobody gonna get to see the code or use it anymore.

Because it was for me since the beginning, but I wanted everyone have access to it, and I wanted nothing except respecting the license it has to keep it open for everyone. Somebody played dirty, and I'm taking my ball and going home. That's it.

If somebody wants to see a glimpse of what I do and what I strive for, see https://git.sr.ht/~bayindirh/nudge. While I might update Nudge, There won't be new public repositories. Existing ones won't be taken down.

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