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Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by bodge5000 »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #592
bodge5000 wrote: post #585

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> Reddit runs bot detection, rate limits, fingerprinting, shadow restrictions, and abuse heuristics you don’t even see, and you don’t know which ones, because that knowledge is their moat. > Reddit says “run a ranking algorithm refined over years, with vote fuzzing, decay, abuse detection, and intentional lies in the UI.” As the number you see is not the number stored. > etc... The question is; is moltbook doing this…

"A basic Reddit clone" So as we have established, it's not even a basic Reddit clone. And anyone who says they can build one in a week is giving HN a bad reputation.

That just seems like a completely different argument, Reddit only came into a part of this in relation to Moltbook

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Post by thecoderpanda »

simonw nailed it. The pain was never "writing code." It was the random hour lost debugging why CI broke overnight because some dependency shipped a breaking change.

I run a dev community of ~1500 devs. The ones getting the most out of agents aren't throwing away frameworks. They're offloading the stuff nobody enjoys. OAuth scope spelunking, boilerplate migrations, flaky test debugging. That's where agents shine.

The actual risk nobody talks about: if you've never manually debugged a race condition, you won't catch it when the agent introduces one. Agents amplify what you already know. They don't replace knowing things.

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Post by literalAardvark »

oblio wrote: post #468
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Might not be the best counter example since everyone who has bought BTC before Jan 2024 is now in massive profit.

Bitcoin is one of the few real survivors of the crypto crash and even it has failed in its mission. Read what Satoshi meant and what Bitcoin is now. It's not a coin, it's gold bars.

Gold bars with near instant, near free global delivery?

Think you might need to update that idea.

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Post by rldjbpin »

so many parties peddling AI related services should also agree with the sentiment (so do i). a lot of people in the stack are acting as wrappers. most of their tools are always changing (e.g. see the commit counts in openclaw project), often full of breaking changes and while forcing to migrate to newer version regularly.

if you want something specific without ever-changing needs, it makes sense to do it with fewer dependencies as possible. this should be even more ideal if you believe the code made is of high quality, as it reduces the pain of updating the project for non-functional reasons.

this sentiment ironically goes against the existence of these services, as they themselves are always working on matching the ever-changing dependencies to give the impression of a stable platform.

only if it was possible to have the cake and eat it too

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Post by nunez »

4nonverbal-alit wrote: post #496
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Speaking as someone who has been both a SRE/DevOps from all levels from IC to Global Head of a team: - I 100% believe this is happening and is probably going to be the case in the next 6 months. I've seen Claude and Grok debug issues when they only had half of the relevant evidence (e.g. Given A and B, it's most likely X). It can even debug complex issues between systems using logs, metrics etc. In other words, every…

> Which probably means we are all going to start to be more like airline pilots: Airline pilots are still employed because of regulations. The industry is heavily regulated and the regulations move very slowly because of its international cooperative nature. The regulations dictate how many crew members should be on board for each plane type and other various variables. All the airlines have to abide by the rules of…

Regulation and strong unions are the only thing holding airlines back from doing what the cruise lines did long ago: importing all of their labor from cheaper countries and paying them trash while working them to the bone.

In the meantime, captains at legacy airlines are the only ones getting paid well. Everyone else struggles to make ends meet. All while airlines constantly compain that they "can't find enough qualified pilots." Where have I heard this said before...

Also, every pilot is subject to furloughs, which happen every time economic headwinds blow a little too hard, which resets their tenure, and their payscales, if they switch employers.

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Post by gtowey »

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At the company I work for, despite pushing widespread adoption, I have seen exactly a zero percent increase in the rate at which major projects get shipped.

This is what keeps getting me. People here keep posting benchmarks, bragging about 5x, 10x, 20x. None of the companies we work with are putting anything faster. The evangelist response is to call it a skill issue, but looking around it seems like no one anywhere is actually pushing out new products meaningfully faster.

I think it shows the barrier to building software quickly was never about how fast you can write the code.

Maybe at a startup it is, but for any established company I find most of the friction is systemic management issues.

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Post by Micheasherman »

xeromal wrote: post #456
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Dead wrong. Because the world is still filled with problems that would once have been on the wrong side of the is it worth your time matrix ( https://xkcd.com/1205/ ) There are all sorts of things that I, personally, should have automated long ago that I threw at claud to do for me. What was the cost to me? Prompt and a code review. Meanwhile, on larger tasks an LLM deeply integrated into my IDE has been a boon. Havi…

Yup, I've already run like 6 of my personal projects including 1 for my wife that I had lost interest in. For a few dollars, these are now actually running and being used by my family. These tools are a great enabler for people like me. lol I used to complain when my friends and family gave me ideas for something they wanted or needed help with because I was just too tired to do it after a day's work. Now I can sit n…

If it is 20% slower for you to write with AI, but you are not stressed out and enjoy it so you actually code then the AI is a win and you are more productive with it.

I think that's what is missing from the conversation. It doesn't make developers faster, nor better, but it can automate what some devs detest and feel burned out having to write and for those devs it is a big win.

If you can productively code 40 hours a week with AI and only 30 hours a week without AI then the AI doesn't have to be as good, just close to as good.

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Post by Micheasherman »

gtowey wrote: post #606
qualifck wrote: post #587

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This is what keeps getting me. People here keep posting benchmarks, bragging about 5x, 10x, 20x. None of the companies we work with are putting anything faster. The evangelist response is to call it a skill issue, but looking around it seems like no one anywhere is actually pushing out new products meaningfully faster.

I think it shows the barrier to building software quickly was never about how fast you can write the code. Maybe at a startup it is, but for any established company I find most of the friction is systemic management issues.

Well, considering there are coders who type under 30 WPM and are senior level programmers I would have thought people realized that years ago.

Oh well

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Post by xeromal »

Micheasherman wrote: post #607
xeromal wrote: post #456

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Yup, I've already run like 6 of my personal projects including 1 for my wife that I had lost interest in. For a few dollars, these are now actually running and being used by my family. These tools are a great enabler for people like me. lol I used to complain when my friends and family gave me ideas for something they wanted or needed help with because I was just too tired to do it after a day's work. Now I can sit n…

If it is 20% slower for you to write with AI, but you are not stressed out and enjoy it so you actually code then the AI is a win and you are more productive with it. I think that's what is missing from the conversation. It doesn't make developers faster, nor better, but it can automate what some devs detest and feel burned out having to write and for those devs it is a big win. If you can productively code 40 hours…

I'm in agreeance with you 100%. A lot of my job is coming into projects that have been running already and having to understand how the code was written, the patterns, and everything else. Generating a project with an LLM feels like doing the same thing. It's not going to be a perfect code base but it's enough.

Last night I was working on trying to find a correlation between some malicious users we had found and information we could glean from our internet traffic and I was able to crunch a ton of data automatically without having to do it myself. I had a hunch but it made it verifiable and then I was able to use the queries it had used to verify myself. Saved me probably 4 or 5 hours and I was able to wash the dishes.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by manofmanysmiles »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #238
manofmanysmiles wrote: post #151

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I've found LLMs (since Opus 4.5) exceptionally good at reading and writing and debugging assembly. Give them gdb/lldb and have your mind blown!

Do you mean gdb batch mode (which I've heard of others using with LLMs), or the LLM using gdb interactively ?

I wrote a wrapper python script debug.py that will run gdb as a subprocess, and then takes input from the args.

Usage is somewhat like:

$ debug.py start $ debug.py -c "break main" $ debug.py -c "continue"

Cursor at least doesn't seem to like running interactive programs yet.

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