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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by mortarion »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #546
ed_elliott_asc wrote: post #543

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At my kids school the children have been using grok to create pics of other children without clothes on - chatgpt etc won’t let you do that - grok needs some controls and x seem unable to do that themselves.

What would raiding the office achieve in this case apart from just showing off power.

This is the cyber crime unit. They will exfiltrate any data they want. They will use employee account to pivot into the rest of the X network. They don't just go in, grab a couple of papers, laptops and phones. They hook into the network and begin cracking.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by muyuu »

didntcheck wrote: post #600
PaulRobinson wrote: post #589

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It's worth pointing out that in France and the UK, the authorities involved are arms length independent of the political bodies - it's not like the US where if you give the President good vibes you can become head of the FBI, and all you have to do in return is whatever he says. There are statutory instruments (in France, constitutional clauses), that determine the independence of these authorities. They are tasked -…

> It's worth pointing out that in France and the UK, the authorities involved are arms length independent of the political bodies As someone who has lived in (and followed current affairs) in both of these countries, this is a very idealistic and naïve view. There can be a big gap between theory and practice > There are statutory instruments (in France, constitutional clauses), that determine the independence of thes…

i live in the UK and i completely agree with you and i believe that GP is "having a laugh" as we'd say over here

however it's a very mainstream point of view so i respect that he/she has laid it out pretty well, so i upvoted the comment

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by joe_mamba »

n4r9 wrote: post #568
joe_mamba wrote: post #529

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You want the French authorities to focus on the Epstein files to the exclusion of all other corporate misbehaviour? Also, it seems pretty likely that Musk is tangled up with the Epstein shit. First Musk claimed he turned down offer to go to the island. Now it turns out Musk repeatedly sought to visit, including wanting to know when the "wildest" party was happening, after Epstein was already known as a child sex abus…

>You want the French authorities to focus on the Epstein files to the exclusion of all other corporate misbehaviour?

No i said no such thing, what I said was that the resources of authorities is a finite pie. If most of it goes towards petty stuff like corporate misbehavior that hurts nobody, there won't be enough for the grave crimes like actual child abuser that actually hurt real people.

Same how police won't bother with your stolen phone/bike because they have bigger crimes to catch. I'm asking for the same logic be applied here.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

muyuu wrote: post #592
KaiserPro wrote: post #591

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The law is concrete on this. In the UK, you must take "reasonable" steps to remove illegal content. This normally means some basic detection (ie fingerprinting which is widely used from a collaborative database) or if a user is consistently uploading said stuff, banning them. Allowing a service that you run to continue to generate said illegal content, even after you publicly admit that you know its wrong, is not rea…

that doesn't sound concrete to me, at all

It's about as concrete as one gets in the UK/US/Anglosphere law tradition.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by gadders »

mnewme wrote: post #519

Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

ImPleadThe5th wrote: post #573
joe_mamba wrote: post #560

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In your hypothetical scenario, why aren't the school kids making and distributing fake nudes of his daughter be the ones getting in trouble? Have we a outsourced all accountability for the crimes of humans to AI now?

It's not hypothetical. And in fact the girl who was being targeted was expelled not the boys who did it [1]. Those boys absolutely should be held accountable. But I also don't think that Grok should be able to quickly and easily generate fake revenge porn for minors. [1] https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/girl-...

This happens all the time with abusive children in schools, they're rarely punished at all even with extreme abuse and violence.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by gadders »

Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #53

> Prosecutors say they are now investigating whether X has broken the law across multiple areas. This step could come before a police raid. This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

Jordan-117 wrote: post #478
miki123211 wrote: post #454

This vindicates the pro-AI censorship crowd I guess. It definitely makes it clear what is expected of AI companies. Your users aren't responsible for what they use your model for, you are, so you'd better make sure your model can't ever be used for anything nefarious. If you can't do that without keeping the model closed and verifying everyone's identities... well, that's good for your profits I guess.

I could maybe see this argument if we were talking about raiding Stable Diffusion or Facebook or some other provider of local models. But the content at issue was generated not just by Twitter's AI model, but on their servers, integrated directly into their UI and hosted publicly on their platform. That makes them much more clearly culpable -- they're not just enabling this shit, they're creating it themselves on dem…

And importantly, this is clearly published by Grok, rather than the user, so in this case (obviously this isn't the US) but if it was I'm not sure Section 230 would apply.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by owebmaster »

joe_mamba wrote: post #572
anonymous908213 wrote: post #571

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Punishing kids after the fact does not stop the damage from occurring. Nothing can stop the damage that has already occurred, but if you stop the source of the nudes, you can stop future damage from occurring to even more girls.

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by muyuu »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #604
muyuu wrote: post #592

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that doesn't sound concrete to me, at all

It's about as concrete as one gets in the UK/US/Anglosphere law tradition.

if you can be sued for billions because some overbearing body, with a very different ideology to yours, can deem your moderation/censorship rules to be "unreasonable" then what you do is err on the side of caution and allow nearly nothing

this is not compatible with that line of business - perhaps one of the reasons nothing is done in Europe these days

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