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Post by trimethylpurine »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #593
trimethylpurine wrote: post #581

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I vehemently oppose Nazi anything. Also I think you've subscribed to a very biased view of Republicans that doesn't describe anyone I know. That said I'm not politically aligned with either she so my take shouldn't serve as a defense for anyone's view. But from outside the fishbowl I can't say I subscribe to this description.

So this doesn’t describe “anyone you know”, yet the official “Young Republicans” association is bragging about their support for Nazis with the Republican Vice President dismissing it and Republicans across the country deifying a dead racist podcaster? And the elected Republican President accused a whole group of people of “eating pets” - and Republicans still overwhelming support this. Yet “no one you know” is like…

I don't see your point. I think you're trying to say you don't like Republicans, and I'm okay with that. Again, I don't have a horse in the race. I'm just pointing out some facts that disagree with the revisionist's history. It seems I may have upset you. I will disengage here.

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Post by jajuuka »

Coeur wrote: post #228
nichos wrote: post #54

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I would ask for your source

"Mobile phone (cell phone) microphones can be activated remotely, without any need for physical access" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_listening_device#Remote... And the linked sources are: - Kröger, Jacob Leon; Raschke, Philip (2019). "Is My Phone Listening in? On the Feasibility and Detectability of Mobile Eavesdropping". Data and Applications Security and Privacy XXXIII. Lecture Notes in Computer Science. Vo…

All the references are to old phones before Android and iOS came out. Or they are fake features phones sold to the target. So while this is something that was possible in the early 90's and early 2000's it's not longer a thing.

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Post by jajuuka »

iJohnDoe wrote: post #93
apparent wrote: post #69

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One of the reasons I use iPhones is that Apple controls an integrated hardware/software experience, which makes it less likely that private information is being leaked despite the presence of privacy controls.

I wouldn’t be so confident. The article even references this. Apple has used third-party baseband devices in the iPhone since the beginning, which was from other manufacturers. All bets are off regarding security when this is the case. This does included microphone access. The article touches on this by saying Apple is making the baseband/modem hardware now. Something they should have done since day one, and I’m not…

So what is the evidence of this being possible? Or is this just pure conjecture on your part?

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Post by anarticle »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #499
lrvick wrote: post #368

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I turned off all cell carrier tracking 5 years ago. 100% of it. By canceling my cell phone subscription. I know I know, I must be amish, I have heard it all. But I run two tech companies, travel, have a family, and do most of the things most around here probably do other than doom scrolling. So much more time in my own head to think.

Cancel phone subscription and have family. I don’t understand how you still have family? You don’t have any emergencies?

Before the era of cell phone and always on comms, leaving the house was a way to NOT be found on purpose. If you weren't home, people just had to wait!

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Post by hedora »

refurb wrote: post #576
hedora wrote: post #268

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“A mentally ill person called 911 and said they were going to kill themselves” is a much better justification for pulling GPS data off a phone than any of the rationales I’ve heard from US companies or the government.

What about the other 329,999,999 Americans who aren’t trying to kill themselves at that time? It’s a cost vs benefit analysis and the cost is pretty damn high.

They’re not calling 911, so their phones wouldn’t respond with a gps location.

I’m not arguing all locations should be collected, just that “during a 911 call” is a really reasonable time to do it by default.

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Post by refurb »

hedora wrote: post #605
refurb wrote: post #576

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What about the other 329,999,999 Americans who aren’t trying to kill themselves at that time? It’s a cost vs benefit analysis and the cost is pretty damn high.

They’re not calling 911, so their phones wouldn’t respond with a gps location. I’m not arguing all locations should be collected, just that “during a 911 call” is a really reasonable time to do it by default.

But the question is - does the functionality just open the door for everyone else?

If it could be adequately controlled so that it couldn’t, I would agree

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Post by trimethylpurine »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #571
trimethylpurine wrote: post #570

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>"minimizing an entire race of people" Not minimizing. Just acknowledging that this alone doesn't characterize the general take of the complete history of the country. It describes a nation divided on moral lines at best. Not all states participated in segregation and those states that didn't ultimately are those who won in the end. So to take that win away degrades the victory that your parents (probably) helped to…

If this was condoned by the US Supreme Court explicitly, this was the law of the United States that anyone anywhere could be discriminated against based on the color of their skin. The federal army - ie run by the US was officially segregated until 1948 but it really was through the late 50s. https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/executive-order... The GI bill run by the federal government was discriminatory h…

You don't think that's childish?

If you want to go by just one SCOTUS ruling to make your argument then why shouldn't we go with just one to make mine? And for that matter the number of rulings that make my argument are many many more than those that make yours.

Now what?

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Post by trimethylpurine »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #569
trimethylpurine wrote: post #549

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The same as gravity? I wouldn't go that far. Gravity can be measured repeatedly and no objections have even been made to its effect. The theory is sound because it accurately makes predictions about the universe. Theory is just an explanation for what we observe and I think this theory explains some things better than others. The two items I listed are are clear contrast to the theory. Let's say it's not a unified th…

This is going to sound harsh. But you really don’t have much understanding of American history either race. My still living parents grew up in the segregationist south. This isn’t ancient history.

I believe you, and that doesn't change my stance. The segregationist South doesn't represent this country. It represented the remains of a racist Confederacy that was destroyed, save for the ideology that persists in the hearts of those that choose to continue to deny what this country has always been about.

Do we include you in support of that ideology? I worry that you might be missing the irony of your argument.

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Post by trimethylpurine »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #585
trimethylpurine wrote: post #549

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The same as gravity? I wouldn't go that far. Gravity can be measured repeatedly and no objections have even been made to its effect. The theory is sound because it accurately makes predictions about the universe. Theory is just an explanation for what we observe and I think this theory explains some things better than others. The two items I listed are are clear contrast to the theory. Let's say it's not a unified th…

> I gather he was a political "spy" of sorts, working from the inside to further the opposing party's goals. Strom Thurmond was a Democrat who changed parties - swapped to a Republican - when democrats supported and pushed integration. It is surprising to see you repeating a fringe conspiracy explaining his racism having never heard of him only minutes prior. This is the man who yelled, “segregation now, segregation…

It's an interesting take. But as I keep pointing out in other comments, one example doesn't make for an argument against the trend.

If it did then this example would be all I need to make my point. Is it?

House of Representatives vote on civil rights act: Approximately 63% of Democrats (153 yes out of 244 total Democrat votes cast) and 80% of Republicans (136 yes out of 171 total Republican votes cast).

Senate: Approximately 69% of Democrats (46 yes out of 67 total Democrat votes cast) and 82% of Republicans (27 yes out of 33 total Republican votes cast).

Here again it appears that Republicans as a larger majority remained true to the traditional Republican push for equality (not equity).

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Post by trimethylpurine »

_heimdall wrote: post #558
trimethylpurine wrote: post #531

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I'm familiar with this theory and on some issues maybe it's relevant but what I'm referring to here is that Democrats today still seem to be in agreement with Democrats of old on the topic of whether the founders meant to abolish slavery. Republicans say they absolutely did, just as they always have. Democrats say they absolutely didn't, just as they always have. I would argue that realignment occurred geographically…

Are you claiming that the party alignment hasn't switched over time? I expect that everyone would agree Alabama is a very conservative state. It was voted solid Democrat until the late 80s, at which point the state went republican along with any elected politicians that stayed in office. If I'm not mistaken, Richard Shelby was elected as a democrat in the early or mid 80s before being the last elected official to swi…

On these two items mentioned, yes. Read carefully.

1. Whether or not race objectively determines inferiority.

2. Whether or not this country always supported slavery.

On these two items, opinions remain true to the original parties' opinions regardless of whether or not they swapped.

I'm not going to debate whether or not they swapped overall because that's entirely subjective regarding what constitutes a swap officially. That would be a waste of time. I'm a scientist, not a cheerleader. I frankly don't care outside of the two items relevant to the discussion. And in these two items they didn't swap.

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