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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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It feels like France is actually leading on the infrastructure side of things right now. With Mistral and Hugging Face both in Paris, the open source AI ecosystem is pretty heavily concentrated there.

And OVH and Scaleway. Also Gandi.

Lol Gandi is a joke now that they have entered the desperately milking any remaining customers that haven't moved off yet phase.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Switching to sovereignty-protecting, locally-hosted collaboration, compute, and storage is by no means impossible. FOSS advocates have been eagerly beating this drum and providing options for 25+ years. The missing ingredient has always been the will to absorb the inevitable cost of change, and the friction of choosing something other than the standard, go-to, often at least apparently free (or at least bundled) tool…

> the will to absorb the inevitable cost of change it's simple economics. When US services have to increase their pricese because of trumps tarrifs and these increases are higher than the cost of change, they'll do it. we're almost there

How much have the "tarrifs" (sic) increased the cost of "US services" by to EU providers?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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It’s great yes, but if we in the US weren’t proving so untrustworthy, EU startups and tech giants could focus on building things that actually might out innovate us and everyone else. Which would be a win-win. Instead they will spend a lot time duplicating tools where only US companies are providing options, and maybe not innovating much if anything in those areas. Or not enough to matter much. I don’t blame them. Th…

Duplicating things is underrated. It's good for there to be multiple operators doing basically the same thing. Innovation can happen at the margins. It will be easier, not harder, for EU companies to innovate in meaningful ways after they've built their own systems and are no longer just following in the wake of big US companies. (Not to mention that half of what passes for innovation these days is actually bad.)

It's even better if they end up not doing exactly the same thing. For example we could use some tech companies that aren't so user hostile.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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I wish them luck, but while saying folks will drop the dominant apps seems all the rage at the moment people have been saying this for decades with almost no real progress at scale. The only way to accomplish this at scale is to build something that is legit better and let the market decide. Anything else is just principled wishful thinking.

> The only way to accomplish this at scale is to build something that is legit better and let the market decide. Anything else is just principled wishful thinking. No they need to tariff/ban things that are non-EU

Tariffs are good now

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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At this point I am praying that one of the things pushing back on this administration will be American Companies that have gotten rich on the back of "American Globalism", learning just how much it hurts when the US doesn't do its responsibility to remain Allies with it's nominal Allies. And the EU, Canada, and anyone else who the current US administration is slighting, should absolutely be moving cash hard and fast…

There is no unringing this bell. Maybe a sane administration would slow the migration, but the damage is done. America is a capricious partner who can flip the table at any moment.

Absolutely not. History has shown again and again that human memory is short and greed is unbounded. If there isn't an active fire burning under people's asses they'll choose the $0.01 cheaper option even if it ends up being much worse for them in the long run.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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post #70

I wish them luck, but while saying folks will drop the dominant apps seems all the rage at the moment people have been saying this for decades with almost no real progress at scale. The only way to accomplish this at scale is to build something that is legit better and let the market decide. Anything else is just principled wishful thinking.

Sry but the world where ”markets decided” pretty much anything ended when Trump started his second term. EU is finishing a trade deal with India that creates a market of 2 billion people. Europe and China are closer than ever. I’m sure we can get along with Teans and police state just fine.

EU stands against police states! Now here is our new best friend, China.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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post #246

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Don't take the Canadian market for granted. There's a strong desire to forge closer links with the EU now and reduce dependence on products that could be weaponized against us at any time. Geographic proximity doesn't count for much when it comes to software.

It should also go without saying that Canada already had a vertically integrated telecoms giant in RIM/Blackberry that handled end to end smartphone comms globally in the 3G era, right down to compressing emails through their servers so they could be transmitted efficiently over 2G data networks. Unfortunately Blackberry was heavily dependent on US telecoms and corporations buying their servers and devices to pad the…

There was also Nortell

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

The decades long level of trust in the US and its institutions was unprecedented and built off of the tremendous goodwill and momentum post WW2. It was an unusually high degree of trust, and now it's unusually low. Even if the US reverses its policies it will take a very long time to rebuild trust, and even then the historical warning marker of the Trump admin will be studied as a reason to never return to the prior…

yesterday in an article here on HN i read a wonderful dutch proverb:

“trust arrives on foot and leaves on horseback”

seems it’s applicable to this case too. Sad to see decades of work being tore apart in a few months.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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post #246

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Don't take the Canadian market for granted. There's a strong desire to forge closer links with the EU now and reduce dependence on products that could be weaponized against us at any time. Geographic proximity doesn't count for much when it comes to software.

With 40M people, Canada is about half the size of Germany in terms of population and GDP. Also smaller than France. Canada is more similar in GDP to countries like Italy. The Spanish economy is a bit smaller but it has slightly more people (48M). The EU + UK is a bit over half a billion people. The thing with Zoom, Meets, Teams, etc. is that these aren't that hard to replicate. There is not much of a technical moat.…

I'm not sure I agree about the lack of a technical moat. While spinning up a basic WebRTC wrapper is trivial, the real challenge is the global distributed systems engineering required for low latency and reliability at scale. You need a massive edge network to handle routing, jitter buffering, and packet loss effectively across continents. It seems like the hard part isn't the client, but ensuring it actually works reliably when you have millions of concurrent streams on flaky connections.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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For those who don't want to use Twitter: https://xcancel.com/lellouchenico/status/2015775970330882319 Or here's the linked article: https://www.numerama.com/cyberguerre/2167301-la-france-veut-... And here's the app, Visio: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/produits/visio

> And here's the app, Visio

That UI looks suspiciously similar to Jitsi Meet. I wonder if it's based on it.

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