Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars • Hacker News Board

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by dpkirchner » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 4:02 PM UTC

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I have little RFID cards from 2 charging companies that I can tap to their chargers to charge. Also, many chargers support tapping a credit card on them to charge.

The credit card tapping option should be required by law. This registering apps and fobs flow is the worst ux imaginable. And while we are at it the car should hold the payment info. Plugging it in should be enough. I know it’s all coming.

I agree but I'd go further: Cash should be required by law, we shouldn't require people to have a bank account just to buy electricity.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by gambiting » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 4:03 PM UTC

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>>So what is more practical, charging your car overnight without an electric plug or going to the gas station for a few minutes? 100x charging your car overnight with a plug. I don't think people who don't own an EV realize how great that is. Imagine if your petrol car magically got refilled with fuel every single night - add up all of those "few minutes" spent at a petrol station over your lifetime, and realize how…

Please don’t repeat the myth that your car is getting refilled every very night unless you are charging to 100% every night or are willing to concede your range is 80% of the stated range.

I do recharge to 100% every night - is that unusual in any way?

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by NetMageSCW » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 4:04 PM UTC

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SuperfastMatt is buying a Cayman! I think they will be fine... https://youtu.be/rkXqKfYRJD0

Porsche is loosing billions and people start talking they are caput(bancrupt) :)

And Apple is going to fail.

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Post by NetMageSCW » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 4:06 PM UTC

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I think Porsche is really in trouble here. I’m not anti-EV but the electric Macan and Cayenne look awful. They are under equipped technologically relative to their Chinese peers (heck basically anything). Porsche sort of sold its soul for this tech-forward design but it doesn’t deliver any meaningful benefits, these cars don’t even have level 2+ highway cruise control. In the meantime I get a bunch of crap screens an…

EV cars are mostly just appliances now. Not sure how the prestigious Porsche badge (or any other really) can stand out into the future.

According to (enthusiast) car magazines, Porsche BEVs are still better at being Porsches than most of the competition.

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Post by NetMageSCW » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 4:09 PM UTC

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The US/EU/JP manufacturers are half-pregnant, they have engine and other mechanical production plants that will become stranded assets as BEVs don't need engines, gearboxes or the other hydraulic/cooling etc infrastructure that an ICE vehicle needs. Electric motors are essentially maintenance free over the life of a BEV, same for the batteries. The maintenance is for brake pads/rotors, but regen braking also avoids t…

>Electric motors are essentially maintenance free over the life of a BEV, same for the batteries. You had me until "same for the batteries." The batteries do pretty well, but they are quite the gamble.

Evidence so far says they are not a gamble at all, and common (required?) eight year warranties on 80% life remaining are on all BEVs, plus record show that BEVs tend to to retain that 80% range at ten years. The gamble might be in whether the batteries have manufacturing defects, but warranty and recalls cover that, and as Samsung showed, can happen to even smaller, cheaper items.

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Post by NetMageSCW » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 4:11 PM UTC

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Car enthusiasts caring about the driving experience doesn't just mean drivability. Engine sound is a huge part of it. All the classic Porsche 911 have flat-6 engines which make a distinctive sound that is totally part of the brand. FTR I don't care about this myself, I'm happy with my EV. But the importance of this aspect is easily missed by people not part of the target demographic.

It feels like engine sound has become more important to these people since EV's entered the market. I'm sure it was there before but not to the same extent.

The huge uproar about the 718 having a flat four turbo engine was mostly about the sound. (I don’t have a problem with it.) I think it has always been there.

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Post by gtowey » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 4:12 PM UTC

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> Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It’s done man. Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts” while the Chinese have been developing EV technology for years. Meanwhile, European makers are stuck not knowing what to do, make Americans happy or compete w…

I can 100% confidently say the average US buyer is not an auto enthusiast. Cars are appliances to the vast majority of people here. There are multiple other factors for the relatively low adoption of EVs compared to China.

They are in the sense that most of them are buying cars that represent their identity. For example nearly every pick up truck is an "auto enthusiast", because almost none of them are used for their primary purpose more than a few times mes a year.

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Post by thomas_witt » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 4:13 PM UTC

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Being a customer for years, I have to politely disagree. Design is obviously a totally personal matter of taste, but as they have made many iconic shapes, apparently they're in the broad opinion not too bad at it. The main difference is driving. I have driven many cars in my life, from very cheap to very expensive. For me personally, Porsche is in my opinion comparable to using a Mac - they're one of the few who "get…

> Try driving 240+ km/h This is an entertainingly German-centric answer.

My point is, just from my perspective (YMMV), the Porsche cars are pretty perfect. I have a hard time finding a car which behaves more precisely and reliably on the street, regardless of the speed, than a 911 or 718 - or a Taycan or Panamera.

That refers back to my original answer when the poster said Porsche are "in trouble" because they are "technologically underequipped" and "don't deliver meaningful benefits". There is a lot of stuff China and other carmakers haven't caught up to. Will they in the future? Maybe.

To take that German-centric thing out: Try going on a mountain road and have fun in the corners. I am sure, if you have multiple cars to do the same thing, the Porsche will rank pretty high.

In any case, of course, this is all a pretty niche market for people who love driving sports cars. In 99%, a Toyota can deliver exactly the same value for the base use case (going from A to B) for way less money.

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Post by NetMageSCW » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 4:13 PM UTC

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On this note: It was recently reported that Electrified vehicles in general outsold conventional ICE powered vehicles in Australia, claiming it has reached a 'tipping point' with consumers: https://www.drive.com.au/news/electrified-vehicles-have-offi...

Consumers don't realize they are getting the worst of both worlds with added weight, complexity, repairs, inefficiency, and costs along with potential reliability (ex-Toyota) Not to mention studies that show PHEV owners frequently don't plug in.

That’s simple not true. Studies have shown that historically hybrid vehicles have fewer issues than any other type, possibly because reducing the ICE use increases reliability overall more than adding the minimal EV complexity.

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Post by nikanj » Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 4:13 PM UTC

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Yes, and? They're different tools for different purposes. Such a disingenuous comment.

> They're different tools for different purposes. Getting to work and running local errands?

Yes one is for getting to work and running local errands, the other is for showing that you are a successful alpha hustler who can afford a big truck.