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Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by prepend »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #117
phkahler wrote: post #115

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>> Waymo data shows a significant injury reduction rate. If it's true and not manipulated data, it's natural for the car companies to want to capture some of this upside. If you can insure the car for less, the car company can charge more for the car. I don't want to pay a subscription (rent) for a car I buy.

I think you're in the minority. I can't find the reference, but I believe more customers are willing to pay $100/month for Tesla FSD than are willing to pay $10K once.

While that is true, that’s only a small percentage of drivers. Most Tesla drivers do not pay for FSD at all. About 12% of Tesla owners pay for FSD in one form or another [0].

So even though paying monthly is more amenable, the vast majority don’t want to pay anything.

[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-full-self-driving-sale...

Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by bluGill »

testing22321 wrote: post #590
bluGill wrote: post #546

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> pay for insurance, gas, tires, oil changes, parking, washing etc. If you use a car you are paying for those costs. There is no getting around it. If you uber it is indirect, but part of your costs per ride is going to those things. Renting a car gets someone else to do them - but you are paying them to do that somehow. (self driving make trade parking for gas where parking is expensive, so in the densits areas this…

> If you use a car you are paying for those costs Yes, but I don’t use my car 24/7. Soon I won’t have to pay for it when I’m not using it.

It won't be much if any difference. Rush hour is when most people are trying to get around. Worse, they are all trying to get to the same place, so if you are thinking two trips downtown - that means there is an unoccupied trip back out to the suburbs every morning (and again in the evening) - perhaps more if we are also parking in the suburbs where parking is cheap (though this is probably offset by the cost of parking downtown)

Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by nine_k »

prepend wrote: post #597
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In a way, a fusion of both is possible Autonomous cars that move largely along the same route could form temporary "trains", or rather convoys, moving in a coordinated fashion. That would simplify navigation, reduce chances of accidents, reduce energy consumption, and definitely give the passengers more peace of mind during the commute. Such convoys would split when needed, join together when needed, notify other con…

> This, of course, will require some kind of centralized control over entire convoys, and a way to coordinate them. Railways and airways definitely can offer examples of how to handle that. Not at all. A simple peer to peer protocol based on proximity and mixing in traffic data distributed like the national weather service will do just fine. These convoys seem like a perfect example of swarm algorithms fitting well w…

Within a convoy, yes. Between convoys, a dispatcher service could be beneficial, distributed and federated, again, like air traffic controllers and railway dispatchers. The same self-driving car companies that produce the software and require subscription could offer it.

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Post by ghaff »

stackedinserter wrote: post #485
general1465 wrote: post #143

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Let's be real. A staggering amount of drivers are incapable to switch on Automatic Cruise Control or trigger automatic parking. They know how to start the car, how to switch lights and wipers on/off and that's about it. Paying subscription for something what they are never going to use is going to be a hard sell.

Probably a big chunk of these tried ACC a few times, found that ACC sucks unless you're on perfectly clean empty highway, and said "screw it I'll drive it myself".

I've played with it a little bit. Seems useful in principle. But a lot of roads I tend to be on--even highways--have a fair bit of traffic and speed limits that change on a pretty regular basis. Hasn't been as useful as I expected it to be.

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Post by llbeansandrice »

rangestransform wrote: post #587
llbeansandrice wrote: post #238

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> You'll survive the tire pollution. I tend to expect better from HN commenters. I don't have an interest in having a discussion with such a callous and dismissive comment. I hope your day gets better. Tire pollution is worse than tailpipe emissions and the full effects aren't known. You're dismissive of other people's and the environment's health and you're wrong. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/…

Have you thought about how much brake dust subway riders breathe in? At least I can buy a car with a hepa filter https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-08-07/new-york-...

Hell yeah man screw all of those people breathing the outside air from the car brakes. What losers. We'll just dump the pollution everywhere all the time instead of in specific areas where mitigation for everyone is easier and cheaper.

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Post by WaxProlix »

Robdel12 wrote: post #472
WaxProlix wrote: post #38

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This sounds nothing like my experience, you should get that vehicle serviced.

This comment is pretty funny to me, as a car guy. What’s there to service? It’s a software issue.

As a car guy you should know that there's tech in cars these days. Or do you calibrate everything from tpms monitors to re pointing/tunes in your garage?

If something's wrong with your car's head unit firmware or android auto connection or whatever, of course you'd have a technician look at it?

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Post by dzhiurgis »

senordevnyc wrote: post #527
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It's not camera vs lidar, it's AI vs AI. Waymo's AI so far has been narrowly focused few cities. Good start, but remains to be seen who will scale out quicker. IMO both will succeed. Right now if you want a personal car Tesla's FSD is the only option and will remain so for likely a decade. Waymo doesn't seem to be excited about their mission at all. If it moves to Google's graveyard they'll be like "meh" while it's m…

This is such a wild take. Waymo is expanding to cities across the country, doing millions of paid rides every month. Meanwhile Tesla's "Robotaxi" is tooling around Austin with a few cars, every one of which has a driver in the front seat. On the personal vehicle side, Tesla hasn't done anything new or interesting in years, and sales are slumping. FSD never seems to actually become good enough to actually be "full sel…

I see you are here to discuss politics, not technology. Good luck!

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Post by dzhiurgis »

llbeansandrice wrote: post #598
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A lot of them don’t. What is your point? How should one visit places without train access like this one? https://maps.app.goo.gl/kgjVaPRdi6zGDQeu6?g_st=ic

Man I love this silly debate. The original comment just wanted to travel 500 miles to "somewhere" and most instances of "somewhere" that people travel to could be accessed by train. Also no one has said that no one is allowed to drive ever again anywhere. I'm trying to be generous but the victim complex is crazy.

Sorry but train-people scare me more than orange-man.

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Post by culi »

dllu wrote: post #71
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote: post #8

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Depends on the type of LIDAR. LIDAR rated for vehicle use is at a wavelength opaque to the eyes so it hits the surface and fluid of your eye and reflects back rather than going through to your cones and rods. It isn't however opaque for optical glass (since the LIDAR has to shine through optical glass in the first place) so it hits your camera lens, goes straight through, and slams the sensor.

You seem to be implying that all automotive lidar are 1550 nm but that's not true. While there are lots of 1550 nm automotive lidars (Luminar on Volvo, Seyond on NIO) there are also plenty of 850 nm to 940 nm lidars are used in cars (Hesai, Robosense, etc). Those can pass through water and get focused to your retina, but they are also a lot lower power so they do not damage cameras.

Also although that energy longer than 1400nm is generally absorbed by the cornea and lens, it is still energy, and it is not a hard bandpass filter per se. Safety is relative at higher wattages.

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Post by culi »

krackers wrote: post #338
loeg wrote: post #332

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The existing regulations here might be insufficient. There is definitely risk if the devices are not carefully designed to be safe.

To date I can't think of any existing lasers which you are intended to look at during daily use. Most consumer facing lasers are either class 1 but hidden (CD-ROM), or class 2 but basically not shined into your eye (barcode reader). There was another discussion a week back https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46126780 The lack of accessible certification/testing docs for the lidars is also worrying. Where is the proo…

> class 2 but basically not shined into your eye (barcode reader)

TIL barcode readers can cause serious eye damage when misused. You'd think they'd have warning labels on these things given how common self-checkout is nowadays and how curious/stupid children can be

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