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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by dandellion »

kragen wrote: post #276
styanax wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

As I see it, someone who "listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride" would include a note at the end of the post about the edits. Admitting you were wrong requires not erasing the evidence of what you said. (He did post a kind of vague apology in https://ziggit.dev/t/migrating-from-github-to-codeberg-zig-p... , but it's ambiguous enough that anyone who was offended is free to read it as either retracting t…

I don't see the need for a note in this case because what was there wasn't wrong, there's plenty of evidence that supports it. It's just that the tone they used that was inadequate and very rude for no reason, so they edited it to be more polite, it doesn't seem a correction or retraction.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by Lapsa »

serial_dev wrote: post #492
ljm wrote: post #328

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I agree with the sentiment (people changing their minds), but the flipside to that is people pleasing. Someone who capitulates under even the slightest pressure is not much better than the person who is set in their ways. The trouble there, of course, is that the motivation for changing (or not changing) one's mind is not always clear, and it's easy to score points from spinning it one way or another.

You can’t read people’s mind, so when in doubt, assume good intention. It’s not particularly relevant (to me as a random non-zig affiliated HN reader) why they right their wrongs, as long as they did it, I find it positive (at least better than if they had left the monkey comments in the post).

mind reading tech is here - a reality. look up radiomyography and EEG deciphering neural networks. you shouldn't though, not without a permission

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by eviks »

dannersy wrote: post #201
styanax wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

I often find we don't appreciate enough people accepting their failures and changing their mind. For some reason I see the opposite: people respecting those who "stick to their guns" or double down when something is clearly wrong. As you say, the context matters and these edits seem to be learning from the feedback rather than saving face since the sentiment stands, just in a less needlessly targeted way.

There was no mind change, just a change in published words from a true expression of his mind into a more bland corporate speak

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by micik »

brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

that's a long time between edits. as a single contributor to my own posts, i usually achieve a like iteration within minutes. did they have to have a board meeting in between the changes? lovely conservative process. "rookies", love it

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by eviks »

vzaliva wrote: post #388

Let me be blunt: this looks like a tantrum. Bugs exist, and they're sometimes fixed more slowly than we'd like, but given the size of the GitHub ecosystem this is probably just one of many outstanding bugs. Blaming AI is baseless - not that it couldn't be true, but the conclusion seems to be drawn from a single issue. What does this mean for the Zig project? I haven't heard of Codeberg, they may be great, but for a p…

> Bugs exist, and they're sometimes fixed more slowly than we'd like, but given the size of the GitHub ecosystem this is probably just one of many outstanding bugs.

Sorry to be blunt, but you've said nothing of substance. To address the actual criticism you need to explain why these specific "inexcusable bugs" they cite are excusable from your perspective. Otherwise if the whole website doesn't function for months your statement "bugs exist, fixed slower than we'd like" would also apply and be just as meaningless

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by zombot »

brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

I like the first version the best.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by infecto »

IgorPartola wrote: post #579
infecto wrote: post #457

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I did not realize we were lumping Microsoft engineers alongside white nationalists and pedos. Sure folks like that I can see people using descriptions like that.

We were not, or at least I was not. > I also cannot think of a time in my adult life I wanted to call out a group of people as losers or monkeys i n public. I guess that makes this your first time: > Sure folks like that I can see people using descriptions like that. All in all I think we generally agree that being respectful is better than being rude. And that some people who do not have respect also do not deserve…

Then stop replying if you want to leave it at that? I have only agreed with your original statement and then you keep questioning my opinion. You are trying to pick over my words for no reason. Note I said I can see people using that language. I did not say myself. And of course why would I even think about pedos in the context of rude comments made to an unknown group of Microsoft engineers.

My opinion, I have no desire to work with people that write comments calling other engineers monkeys or losers. I have seen that behavior before and it’s not people I like to work with.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by UpsideDownRide »

mmaunder wrote: post #373
brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

Anger is a mind killer. Build software out of love. Love for engineering, innovation, creation, and love of working with people who feel the same way.

Constant anger surely is. But it is also a damn good spark at times. Just can't let it fester.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by thrwaway3243 »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #371
styanax wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

Zig is the language that was intentionally made to fail and error out on windows carriage returns instead of parsing them like every language ever made. They made a version for windows and then made it not work with every windows text editor. Their answer was to 'get better text editors' or 'make a preprocessing program to strip out carriage returns' or 'don't use windows' (they had a windows executable). This is not…

At least, this change will make source files not portable, which is obviously bad.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by bayindirh »

Sammi wrote: post #344
gilrain wrote: post #236

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Search for “residential proxy”.

This seems like a synonym for botnet.

Also a good synonym for "anonymized and deceiving army of AI crawlers circumventing controls for their own benefit".
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