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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by matips »

gclawes wrote: post #529
amarant wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

It's not really that a digital ID can be used to spy on people (governments can already do this to a pretty large degree without needing spyware). It's that it's a permission system that can be instantly updated and centrally managed by people that have legal authority to spy on you. If your digital ID is controlled centrally by the government (the guys that are watching most things you do already), and you need your…

Actually Visa and MasterCard used their position to influence on business like Steam or Pornhub.

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Post by goku12 »

shevy-java wrote: post #360
rishabhaiover wrote: post #22

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

It's especially annoying that democracies do that. Give it a few years and suddenly China is no longer worse than democracies. Modi and his clique are authoritarian though. It's interesting that so many indian vote for that clique. They seem to not understand the problem domain; similar to Hungary, too. (Don't even get me going on Trump's clique of superrich running the show. I recently watched CNN in the last days a…

> It's interesting that so many indian vote for that clique.

This is what happens when the only lens through which people see politics is religion or race. It shows you how important scientific temper, fact checking skills, scientific knowledge, awareness of unrevised history, knowledge of civic duties, current affairs, critical thinking, etc are very important. And don't think that I'm talking about just India.

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Post by Y_Y »

mcdonje wrote: post #590
gclawes wrote: post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really that a digital ID can be used to spy on people (governments can already do this to a pretty large degree without needing spyware). It's that it's a permission system that can be instantly updated and centrally managed by people that have legal authority to spy on you. If your digital ID is controlled centrally by the government (the guys that are watching most things you do already), and you need your…

I was with you until your 3rd paragraph. Why are you carrying water for climate change accelerationists and racists? The examples don't even make sense historically. Haven't you noticed that most governments are failing to decarbonize, and government force against citizens is usually against the left?

You don't have to be a racist to be accused of racism.

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Post by Ajedi32 »

goku12 wrote: post #600
sharperguy wrote: post #543

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I completely agree with the sentiment. I think from their perspective, it's just a case of what CAN be done vs what is morally acceptable. If knives were technologically sophisticated enough that they could be programmed to refuse to pierce particular materials, you know that the government would be forcing manufacturers to include human flesh in that list, and making liable anyone who sells one without that restrict…

> If knives were technologically sophisticated enough that they could be programmed to refuse to pierce particular materials, you know that the government would be forcing manufacturers to include human flesh in that list I have serious doubts that their intentions are nearly as harmless or sincere as you project it. The government through DoT has repeatedly shown their willingness to control, invade, impose arbitrar…

If hypothetically they did have pure intentions, would that make it okay?

I know very little about the politics of India, so I have no idea whether what you said is an objective assessment or if it's just the political talking points of one particular side, but at least in the US I find it very disappointing how the mainstream political opposition to creeping authoritarianism is often "Wow this is terrible, those guys totally shouldn't have that much power." with the unstated implication being "Give it to me instead. I'm a good guy; you can trust me."

I much prefer to emphasize principles which hold regardless of which tribe happens to be in power at the moment. In this case the overriding principle being that device owners should have ultimate control over the software running on their phone - not companies, and certainly not governments. Forcing people to run a particular piece of software on their phones is simply not a power the government should have, regardless of how good their intentions.

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Post by sofixa »

Y_Y wrote: post #603
mcdonje wrote: post #590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was with you until your 3rd paragraph. Why are you carrying water for climate change accelerationists and racists? The examples don't even make sense historically. Haven't you noticed that most governments are failing to decarbonize, and government force against citizens is usually against the left?

You don't have to be a racist to be accused of racism.

"said something racist" is what OP said

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Post by ubermonkey »

rishabhaiover wrote: post #22

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

>I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem

You shouldn't be.

You don't have to dig deep or search widely to see Americans complaining, loudly and often, about the US government using the 9/11 to create massive new state security initiatives, most of which were inimical to both privacy and liberty. And that was nearly a quarter century ago.

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Post by jamesnorden »

Kanishk_Kumar wrote: post #369

When Deep State is doing this through Google and Apple's backdoor, its okay. But when a democratically elected entity does this in its own region, they start getting lectures on freedom.

Literally nobody thinks that's ok besides the people doing it.

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Post by Y_Y »

iamnothere wrote: post #579
theoreticalmal wrote: post #547

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Why is the solution to avoiding conscription being able to hide rather than making the conscription not happen in the first place?

Governments in a position to conscript their citizens usually aren’t taking a lot of feedback on the issue. Yes, fight in advance to prevent such a situation, but don’t assume you will win. It’s good to have a backup plan.

If the third world war were declared tomorrow I think there would be precious few governments who didn't get started on conscription.
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