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Someone at YouTube Needs Glasses: The Prophecy Has Been Fulfilled

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Post by drivers99 »

jstanley wrote: post #448
drivers99 wrote: post #169

There are 0 videos on my YouTube homepage, just a screen asking me to turn on history. Just the way I like it. Here’s what I did: Go into the YouTube app, settings, manage all history, under the history tab hit Delete -> delete all time. Then go to controls (still in the manage all history dialog box under settings), under YouTube history hit Turn off. It says “pausing…” Hit Pause, and Got it. It’s been exactly 3 mon…

Weirdly I've had history turned off for just over 10 years (I can tell from the date on the most recent entry), but my YouTube homepage shows me videos related to things I've watched recently anyway. I just deleted the all-time history and now the homepage is blank as you say. I don't think they're really deleting your viewing history, else the homepage wouldn't have looked the way it did before I deleted "all time".…

> On further consideration, I think what was happening with the homepage was that it was showing me videos related to channels that I subscribe to

I think so too. I turned my history back on and watched part of one video in order to make sure I had the steps right for clearing and disabling history again. In that time, after having at least 1 video in the history, the front page was like what you said. The first recommendation made me want to click on it. It was called "why c++ is terrible" or something like that. Cleared/disabled again and back to normal (blank home page).

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Post by HDThoreaun »

komali2 wrote: post #351
HDThoreaun wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t give a shit about laws. Common sense and morality are what matter to me and taking without paying will always be stealing according to both. I’m not trying to prove anything to you, other than how juvenile it is to hide behind laws and technicalities I guess.

> Common sense and morality Hah! Someone after my own heart. Well, since we're not talking law, let's get into it! First of all, all profit is theft. Your boss and shareholders are only able to make money because they steal margin from your labor. In this case, Youtube may be providing a platform, but what it gets in return is far more than it gives back to creators. Creators have no rights when it comes to Youtube -…

I’m not reading all that, but certainly you can make the argument that stealing a zero marginal cost good isn’t wrong. It’s still stealing though. Stealing from an unethical entity may not be wrong either, but it is still stealing.

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Post by drivers99 »

wrxd wrote: post #439
drivers99 wrote: post #169

There are 0 videos on my YouTube homepage, just a screen asking me to turn on history. Just the way I like it. Here’s what I did: Go into the YouTube app, settings, manage all history, under the history tab hit Delete -> delete all time. Then go to controls (still in the manage all history dialog box under settings), under YouTube history hit Turn off. It says “pausing…” Hit Pause, and Got it. It’s been exactly 3 mon…

I did that as well and also removed all the subscriptions form YouTube itself and instead have all the channels I like in my RSS reader

That would be the next level I should do. Maybe not RSS, but just making an html file linking to various channels (similar to bookmarks) organized by category, while removing them from subscriptions (and curate the list even further). Check out the channels when I feel like it, like how we used to surf the web. Right now, I'm seeing whatever is newest today which favors channels that churn out content like it's their job (which it is in a lot of cases).

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Post by mrguyorama »

isolatedsystem wrote: post #481
theshrike79 wrote: post #430

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LTT specifically AB tested the stupid thumbnail vs relevant + titles. The idiotic clickbait images and titles WORK. People don't use them because they want to, they use them because they have to. Thus -> DeArrow. (Or follow the channels via an RSS feed and filter there)

There are children and there are adults. Children have more free time. Children watch more YouTube than adults. So LTT's audience is probably more children too. Children are attracted to soy-boy suprised pikachu face on clickbait thumbnails. CHLIDREN are ATTRACTED to EVERY second WORD being IN all CAPS!!! They like the three exclamation marks. They like flashy text on MrWhoseTheBoss videos which repeat the same thing…

>LTT wants to do it, he can.

LTT does not have a choice

Youtube's system is adversarial. There's more content than eyeballs, so if your brand new video is placed in front of like three people who do not click on it, it stops getting shown to people entirely including subscribers!

Clickbait thumbnails and titles are what Google wants, and they provide tooling to encourage it, and punish you if you do not use it.

You want to get rid of clickbait titles and thumbnails? Kill google. Then also legislate it away because it will naturally arise in any such adversarial system.

>They like the Mr. Beastification of Youtube.

Google likes the Mr. Beastification of Youtube. Google would rather every LTT go away and be replaced with another Mr. Beast. It's more profitable that way.

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Post by jdhwosnhw »

allarm wrote: post #569
jdhwosnhw wrote: post #565

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I would genuinely like to understand this perspective. Ads or paying for premium is how the underlying business makes money. The UX might suck but you have a choice - you can just not watch YouTube. The approach you describe (which i understand is a popular one) is equivalent to justifying robbing a store because their prices are too high.

It’s not a robbery if noone is getting robbed. That’s a very bad analogy really.

You are using a service without paying for the service by actively circumventing the payment mechanism. Is that not stealing?

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Post by jdhwosnhw »

aembleton wrote: post #575
jdhwosnhw wrote: post #565

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I would genuinely like to understand this perspective. Ads or paying for premium is how the underlying business makes money. The UX might suck but you have a choice - you can just not watch YouTube. The approach you describe (which i understand is a popular one) is equivalent to justifying robbing a store because their prices are too high.

The approach is the equivalent of avoiding the end of aisles so that you don't even look at the products that companies are paying to the store to promote.

Except in this case the only way the store makes money is either by you paying an entrance fee or by you looking at the products. You are being delivered a service (whose delivery costs money) while actively circumventing the mechanism the store employs to be compensated for that service.

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Post by fransje26 »

fsflover wrote: post #593
fransje26 wrote: post #532

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Exactly. I'm not from Poland, but this exact example came to mind when writing my comment. Ads are not an inevitability.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43595269

Thank you for this great link. A short read, well worth reading. And I fully agree with the proposition.

The only problem is that it will be fought tooth and nail by the incumbents, that "incidentally" also control all the propaganda diffusion channels needed to brainwash us into refusing such a change.

It would take a radical shift in humanity to get this far.

A man can dream.

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Post by rkomorn »

usefulcat wrote: post #564
rkomorn wrote: post #390

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The same Netflix that started offering an ad-supported tier that's climbed to 190M global users?

Yes, the same Netflix that gets ~90% of it's income from subscriptions. I never claimed that ads can't be profitable ; I was responding to a commenter who implied that ads are necessary in order to have a viable streaming business, which is very obviously not the case.

And you're comparing YouTube and Netflix here, as similar (enough) streaming services that could use the same business model?

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Post by red-iron-pine »

aidenn0 wrote: post #193
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #12

I used to pay for YouTube premium. I stopped doing that, uninstalled the apps, and now use it through the browser with adblockers. (Yes, on my phone and iPad.) It works so well I’ve gotten at least half a dozen neighbours to do the same. If you haven’t tried it, it’s a definitive step up in UX.

Anyone else notice that most youtube ads are really bad . Seeing a product in a youtube ad now causes me to be more likely to believe it's a ripoff. Things like a cheap $5 fan being sold for $60 as roughly: "Super efficient A/C that will save you $100s on your electricity bill and can cool a room down in just minutes"

> Anyone else notice that most youtube ads are really bad. Seeing a product in a youtube ad now causes me to be more likely to believe it's a ripoff.

YT needs a button to the effect of "I will never, ever, EVER, buy or use this product, stop spending money on this ad"

the obviously-AI created slop or the mobile games that I will never play, etc. is just a waste of time for basically everyone (except YT making that money, I guess)

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