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Why aren't smart people happier?

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Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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Pleasure is immediate, whereas happiness (or joy) reflects something more long-lasting and is often ineffable. You can get used to pleasure because you can predict it and control it. Joy and wisdom are not gained so easily, and it's that challenge that creates meaning.

I’m positing that a lifetime of non destructive pleasure is indistinguishable from happiness.

If you had a brain scan of pleasure and a brain scan of happiness, do you think they'd be identical?

I think you understand that unbridled pleasure eventually leads to jadedness, because you excluded drugs. The other forms of pure pleasure do the same thing but over a longer timescale. Yes, you'd have a truly amazing time at first. Why do a lot of rich people turn to drugs or gambling?

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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You should look into meditation. Let me explain. Meditation teaches that your thoughts are uncontrolled expressions of your subconcious; as are your worries, your fears, your anxieties. To meditate is not to stop thinking thoughts, but to observe them as they spontaneously appear, and - just as quickly - disappear. To recognize that you are not the thinker of your thoughts. To view them from a place of detachment and…

May I recommend an alternative to Eastern Meditation practices? The alternative is Autogenic Training (AT), a method invented by Dr. Schultz a century ago. It is a well-tested scientific approach, and the outcomes are generally very positive, if not life-changing. AT does not involve interpreting obscure texts written thousands of years ago in other languages and referring to ways of life that have long been forgotte…

It would be more convincing if you explained what it actually is. Rather than what it is not.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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anecdata but my experience on dating services is Christians, on average, look happy. No idea why. I'm atheist and not interested in dating a Christian because I could not support their beliefs. But, it's uncanny how often the pattern fits. I'm pretty confident, given 100 dating site profile photos, I can, far better than chance, guess which ones are Christian. Note: I'm not saying Christians are happier than other re…

Christians find meaning in their suffering. Materialists find it challenging to do that and often want to erase suffering completely.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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May I recommend an alternative to Eastern Meditation practices? The alternative is Autogenic Training (AT), a method invented by Dr. Schultz a century ago. It is a well-tested scientific approach, and the outcomes are generally very positive, if not life-changing. AT does not involve interpreting obscure texts written thousands of years ago in other languages and referring to ways of life that have long been forgotte…

It would be more convincing if you explained what it actually is. Rather than what it is not.

There are books and Google and Wikipedia.

Like people refer to meditation and don't explain all the process involved in one of the traditions because there is a wealth of information available, I would much prefer to answer to specific questions on the practice instead of copying and pasting from Wikipedia, which I am doing now.

"The technique involves repetitions of a set of visualisations accompanied by vocal suggestions that induce a state of relaxation and is based on passive concentration of bodily perceptions like heaviness and warmth of limbs, which are facilitated by self-suggestions.Autogenic training is used to alleviate many stress-induced psychosomatic disorders"

The formulas are six: heaviness, warmth, heart beating regularly and strongly, calm breath, warm solar plexus, and cool forehead.

There's no vocal suggestion (the Wikipedia article is wrong in that regard), the formulas are repeated silently. It's a much more effective practice of the hocus-pocus that is often meditation of the Eastern tradition, especially the bastardized variety adopted in the West, and there are plenty of books and papers available on the results of scientific studies that measure the effect on soma and psyche of AT.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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> What's so good about Bupropion? GSK reps were calling it the happy, horny, skinny pill for a while.

I already have those, and it isn't Bupropion. Hence my hesitation to start Bup on top of those.

Why are they suggesting you take it then? Also feel free to send me email

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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What's interesting to me is how all of it is true. You were and are in an elite tier, the measure is purely how we care to slice it. Reminds me of the aphorism "whether you think you can or can't, you're right." I find this saying really insightful and true. Others may find it flippant and void of any meaning. The sports analogy of what you shared is: "there are levels to this". At any given level-child, minor, high-…

A great number of people believe they can when they can’t, the reverse is less frequent. Which is likely the outgrowth of saying to anyone “you can do it” being much easier and safer than a more realistic assessment. Instead I like to say “that will be a lot of work” which is generally true, can help someone succeed by focusing on something productive, and even failure at the given goal often results in something pos…

Very true. Many comments in this overall post arrive at the nuanced stance that it's the effort that is key to focus on and relate. Everything else there is no way to connect to causality.

I want to add that "belief" in yourself, though as you say is rather a biased pathway, is still to me so essential and valuable. Because it is the thing that in some socioeconomic circles is taken for granted and in others is completely assumed in the reverse. So from a humanist perspective I'd rather people fall short of their dream than to never even be able to dream at all.

I guess I am saying it is the lived experience that counts. If you are blissfully naive then is it a better life? iono maybe! but that's reminds me of beautiful animals. And the difference between humans and animals, so far as we come to believe, is that we can choose to suffer. and understand happiness and in that be so utterly unhappy. hah

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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I don't know if I am all that smart, but I can attest that the one thing that made me happier beyond my wildest expectations is seeing my daughter see the light of the world and then spending every single day of her life, so far, giving my very best to raise her into an exceptional being. Seeing the milestones and progress that she makes is utterly incredible.

Our society will never get fixed if we don't raise children. It completely changes the game and your worldview.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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I'm not sure that adds up. I've never met anyone, no matter how dumb, who doesn't have a long list of things they see wrong with the world. The difference with the smart people is that they use their smarts to figure how to enact the change they want to see, including figuring out how to gain power where necessary.

OK, tell me which dumb people understand: - The differences between voting systems and why FPTP is one of the worst options possible. - That opinions are N-dimensional vectors and elections are describing your opinion by picking one point from a small predefined set. - How much money a day a person in the top 0.01% makes vs the top 50% and for how much time/effort. I am sure dumb people see problems and they probably…

> why FPTP is one of the worst options possible.

There are certainly tradeoffs in everything, but majority rule is good enough. In practice any candidate that couldn't possibly handle the job has no real chance of winning. By the time you get into the race amongst those who have a realistic chance, they're all pretty much equally capable. Even if you don't get exactly who you want to see, the winner will be fine.

It's not exactly the most difficult job in the world† to begin with. If you get someone slightly worse than another, is it really going to matter? All they have to do is pay attention to the democracy taking place the local level and carry that sentiment to the central meeting place. What they deliver in the central meeting place is formally recorded, so if they are not acting in good faith to the constituents a tar and feathering will occur.

But to your question, yes, dumb people especially get overly worked up about this. Dumb people have come to believe that democracy ends after they have selected the employee. This is why they feel it is a tragedy when their top choice isn't selected. Whereas the smart people understand that democracy begins only after the employee is hired. That is when you start to talk to them and direct them, as is your democratic obligation.

† Which is to say that it isn't if you are surrounded by smart people who understand the democratic process. If you have to put with dumb people who think you are supposed be some kind of "leader" over them (even though they hired you), then the job becomes very hard trying to read their minds. One certainly does not envy anyone stuck in that position.

> especially when those solutions involve convincing dumb people.

That's the positive note about representative democracy. Since the dumb people end up being too dumb to participate, smart people end up ruling the day. This actually, even if a little counterintuitive, makes it much easier to get things done in practice for those who are smart.

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