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Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #319
markus_zhang wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pretty much see the Macbook as some fancy toys with mediocre software. Maybe the kernel is solid but other software are very meh, even comparing to Windows. But I'm definitely biased as a Windows/Linux user, and my hobby is system programming so naturally a Linux box is more suitable. Biggest grief with MacOS software: - Finder is very mediocre comparing to even File explorer in Windows - Scrollbar and other UI iss…

> - Finder is very mediocre comparing to even File explorer in Windows It really is awful. Why the hell is there no key to delete a file? Where's the "cut" option for moving a file? Why is there no option for showing ALL folders (ie, /bin, /etc) without having to memorize some esoteric key combination? For fuck's sake, even my home directory is hidden by default. > - Scrollbar and other UI issues Disappearing scrollb…

> Why the hell is there no key to delete a file?

Command+Backspace.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by Avamander »

ksec wrote: post #103
mumber_typhoon wrote: post #44

The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). All in all, apple is doing some incredible things with hardware. Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. The M1 itself is so powerful that nobody really needs to upgrade that for most things most people do on their computers. Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same task…

The Broadcom WiFi support 320Mhz while N1 is stuck with 160Mhz. There were report of N1 not supporting 4096 QAM as well but I didn't check.

Channel width is not the only thing that determines the usability or quality of a chipset though.

Reducing Broadcom's influence over the WiFi ecosystem alone would be a large benefit.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by Avamander »

greg5green wrote: post #512
mumber_typhoon wrote: post #44

The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). All in all, apple is doing some incredible things with hardware. Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. The M1 itself is so powerful that nobody really needs to upgrade that for most things most people do on their computers. Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same task…

>The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). Is that good? Their cellular modems have been terrible. I'll reserve judgement until trying one out. >The M1 itself is so powerful I think this is a bit of a fallacy. Apple Silicon is great for the power consumption to power ratio, but something like a Ryzen 9 7945HX can do 3x more work than an M1 Max. And a non-lap…

Having a cellular modem on a MacBook would be really handy even if it's not perfect.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by djtriptych »

bombcar wrote: post #585
gigatexal wrote: post #569

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazing. My M3Max is going to look like a paper-weight very soon. And that's fine by me. When I get an M6 or M7Max to replace it it'll be amazing.

I’m trying to find any reason I can that my M1 Max needs replacement; it’s hard. How do you justify it?

Same. I have an M1 Max Studio and it's just laughing at the little workloads I throw at it (pro photo editing, music production, software dev, generally all at the same time).

It just never sweats AT ALL - it feels like a decade from obsolescence based on what I'm doing now.

It would have to be an order of magnitude faster for me to even notice at this point.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by n8cpdx »

greg5green wrote: post #512
mumber_typhoon wrote: post #44

The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). All in all, apple is doing some incredible things with hardware. Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. The M1 itself is so powerful that nobody really needs to upgrade that for most things most people do on their computers. Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same task…

>The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). Is that good? Their cellular modems have been terrible. I'll reserve judgement until trying one out. >The M1 itself is so powerful I think this is a bit of a fallacy. Apple Silicon is great for the power consumption to power ratio, but something like a Ryzen 9 7945HX can do 3x more work than an M1 Max. And a non-lap…

Source re:modem claims? Performance seems fine in general, modestly slower on very high end networks but using 25% less power.

Performance claims:

https://www.ookla.com/articles/iphone-c1-modem-performance-q...

Energy claims:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/02/27/apples-c1-modem-b...

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by rick_dalton »

hereme888 wrote: post #563

Base models only: - M1 | 5 nm | 8 (4P+4E) | GPU 7–8 | 16-core Neural | Memory Bandwidth: 68.25 GB/s | Unified Memory: 16 GB | Geekbench6 ~2346 / 8346 - M2 | 5 nm (G2) | 8 (4P+4E) | GPU 8–10 | 16-core Neural | Memory Bandwidth: 100 GB/s | Unified Memory: 24 GB | Geekbench6 ~2586 / 9672 - M3 | 3 nm (first-gen) | 8 (4P+4E) | GPU 8–10 | 16-core Neural | Memory Bandwidth: 100 GB/s | Unified Memory: 24 GB | Geekbench6 ~296…

The multi-core geekbench score for the M5 is the 9 core version iirc. The 10 core score isn't out yet as far as I know.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by morshu9001 »

hereme888 wrote: post #563

Base models only: - M1 | 5 nm | 8 (4P+4E) | GPU 7–8 | 16-core Neural | Memory Bandwidth: 68.25 GB/s | Unified Memory: 16 GB | Geekbench6 ~2346 / 8346 - M2 | 5 nm (G2) | 8 (4P+4E) | GPU 8–10 | 16-core Neural | Memory Bandwidth: 100 GB/s | Unified Memory: 24 GB | Geekbench6 ~2586 / 9672 - M3 | 3 nm (first-gen) | 8 (4P+4E) | GPU 8–10 | 16-core Neural | Memory Bandwidth: 100 GB/s | Unified Memory: 24 GB | Geekbench6 ~296…

And the fastest M4 max was already fastest single and multicore CPU by a decent margin, while the fastest non-Apple CPU was only specialized for single or multi.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by oblio »

djtriptych wrote: post #605
bombcar wrote: post #585

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m trying to find any reason I can that my M1 Max needs replacement; it’s hard. How do you justify it?

Same. I have an M1 Max Studio and it's just laughing at the little workloads I throw at it (pro photo editing, music production, software dev, generally all at the same time). It just never sweats AT ALL - it feels like a decade from obsolescence based on what I'm doing now. It would have to be an order of magnitude faster for me to even notice at this point.

You're not opening enough Chrome tabs. Or Electron apps.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by jjcm »

hereme888 wrote: post #563

Base models only: - M1 | 5 nm | 8 (4P+4E) | GPU 7–8 | 16-core Neural | Memory Bandwidth: 68.25 GB/s | Unified Memory: 16 GB | Geekbench6 ~2346 / 8346 - M2 | 5 nm (G2) | 8 (4P+4E) | GPU 8–10 | 16-core Neural | Memory Bandwidth: 100 GB/s | Unified Memory: 24 GB | Geekbench6 ~2586 / 9672 - M3 | 3 nm (first-gen) | 8 (4P+4E) | GPU 8–10 | 16-core Neural | Memory Bandwidth: 100 GB/s | Unified Memory: 24 GB | Geekbench6 ~296…

They're going to have a hard time selling the M5 when compared to the M4 Pro. Geekbench for that chip is 3843/22332, which is slightly slower for single core but better for multi, but also has thunderbolt 5 instead of 4.
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