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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by flir »

piker wrote: post #513
tetris11 wrote: post #507

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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2023-24_Report Best I can find $ 132,466.01 Africa $ 4,902,373.13 Asia $ 49,423,340.29 Europe $106,546,895.77 N.America $ 2,509,299.46 Other $ 6,082,217.76 Oceania $ 944,844.22 S.America

It looks from another chart like 21% of revenue is recurring, so $10 million annually for Europe. Convert that to GBP and you get about £7.5 million. Figure that the UK accounts for about 15% of the European economy and assume it contributes to Wikipedia at about an equal share. That's about £1.125 million in estimated annual recurring contributions from the UK. You said 10-100/mo, so let's assume £55/mo or £660/year…

Gotta factor in fire-and-forget donations vs repeat donations. So halve that number?

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Post by Bender »

gambiting wrote: post #475
marcus_holmes wrote: post #359

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But the notion that a five-year-old is able to consent to anything is absurd. So we have to draw the line somewhere. The UK has chosen to draw the line at 18, which for some kids will be absurd, yes. But for others it will be appropriate. And yet others will still not be emotionally mature at 18 and capable of making that kind of decision properly.

UK's age of consent is 16. So yes, the idea that a 16 year old can consent to sex but not to cookies is indeed absurd.

Not just the UK. In about 30 of the United States of America the age of consent is 16 [1]. Beyond that marriage is permitted with a note from parents of the minor and approval from a judge up to 1 or 2 years below the AoC depending on the state.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_in_North_Americ...

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by flir »

kakacik wrote: post #600
invalidusernam3 wrote: post #557

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Why would you think that? Leaving the EU was not a geographical event

Just imagined on the day of brexit whole set of islands just started drifting few hundred kms towards west (or south-west given how canary islands often feels like british overseas territory?) to underscore the leaving part.

Dig up beaches on the east coast, dump as landfill on the west coast. Nothing's too much trouble for The Great Experiment.

Of course, Ireland will have to move out the way. (Wait, is this an actual metaphor for Brexit?)

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by einarfd »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #500
gambiting wrote: post #471

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Tbf, well implemented digital ID would be much preferable to the idiotic situation that we're in now. The emphasis on well implemented.

I still don't understand how someone is supposed to benefit from such a thing. If I want to use some service, I'll sign up for an account with it. The only thing a centralized ID is going to do is let the service correlate me with a different account on a different service, which is exactly the thing that I don't want. How is someone supposed to benefit from a thing whose only function is to reduce the friction again…

What I use my digital id for, is services, where the provider needs to know that I am me. I only use a small part of the services that we have in Norway that you can access with out digital id (BankID) solution, but those are useful for me, and I do not think all of them would exists without it.

For governmental services, I use it for things like logging into health care services. Where I've used it for checking my prescriptions, and communicating with my doctor. If I had kids I would have used it for contact with the school. An other governmental use is tax filling and tax returns which comes around every year, and this is just scratching the surface.

When it comes to non governmental usage, it is mostly bank and bank adjacent usage. I do use it to log into my different banks, my stock broker, and insurance providers.

The solution we have in Norway, is not perfect and one of the persistent problems, are that not everyone can get one, and since it is used a lot by the government, not having it, makes you a bit of a second class citizen. I do believe that they are finally doing something about that, and that the system will be redone a bit next year, so even if the banks don't like you. You will be able to get one.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by tim333 »

gethly wrote: post #453

In short, governments and internet do no mix. Whenever they do, it ends in a disaster for the people.

Pretty much all countries have governments and the internet and I'd say it tends to end in annoyance rather than disaster, such as having to turn on a vpn to see junk on imgur in this case.

The only actual internet caused disaster I can think of - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide - was caused by a lack of regulation and "let's kill them all" stuff on facebook. 25k+ dead.

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Post by stef25 »

graemep wrote: post #584
BatteryMountain wrote: post #469

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Or, just ban children from the internet, same as gun ownership for 12yo's. Fine/imprison parents. This is a parenting problem, not a technical/business problem. Remove the supply of children and things will get better. A business cannot make laws or override laws with ToS and invent their own moral compasses - rather it is the sole responsibility of the parent on what their child gets exposed to (whether politics, po…

The internet is an extremely useful educational resource. It provides ways of communicating with people you want your kids to communicate with. it needs management by parents. My kids have learned a huge amount from the internet. I have guided them, discussed what are credible resources, the harms possible etc, who they talk to and what they tell them.... There are solutions that would make it easier for parents - pe…

> It provides ways of communicating with people you want your kids to communicate with

Who do you want your kids to communicate with over the internet ?

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Post by pixl97 »

sph wrote: post #443
pixl97 wrote: post #81

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Complexity increases in every system till it fails. Avoiding this entropy may be impossible.

A dictatorship by bureaucrats is not a law of the universe. What used to work is that, when entropy increased on the governmental level, people would raise their pitchforks until something changes, for better or for worse.

This almost never worked out for the people. Most of the time they king got pissy about it and stacked heads 10 deep.

More so in the modern world if you turn off food and water for a few days you'd start stacking bodies like cord wood. We live in a very fragile state.

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Post by tim333 »

protocolture wrote: post #312

We desperately need an Antarctica/Moon style extraterritoriality for the internet. Just tell your citizens that the internet is fair game? Why restrict it to this level and make using the internet the same as having to understand the law in 200 odd countries.

There's always distributed web3 type stuff.

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Post by flir »

vintermann wrote: post #559
Aromasin wrote: post #525

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What one might contribute to malice can normally be attributed to ignorance. I think the political class in the UK is just completely bifurcated from the public (not as much as the Tories were, but more than I though Labour would be), such that every decision senior Labour leaders are making is lauded in progressively smaller circles they keep and they're oblivious to the reality of the situation. They just don't fee…

Malice is a strong word. I think they (because as another commenter points out, he can't do this entirely alone) primarily just don't care, and secondarily, just assume there's going to be a reward. They aren't told by some shadowy cabal there's going to be a reward, they just assume it. It's not an unreasonable assumption either. Nick Clegg did seemingly get rewarded for tanking the lib Dems. The ones lower in the p…

Interesting comment. I don't think Starmer's trying to get invited to a Shadowy Jewish Cabal, though. That's... a bit out there.

Simpler take: The middle ground has been hollowed out. The old method (appeal to the centre) does not appear to be working. Starmer's throwing stunt policies at the wall to try to get some purchase.

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