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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by baggy_trough »

duped wrote: post #597
xyzelement wrote: post #589

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Neither. I am an open minded individual who's traveled the world, and am a dual citizen, highly educated, highly intelligent and successful:) And naturally I was a Democrat through 2016, but as Democrats moved left they left me behind on a lot of issues. And then the fact that your side is now like "you are evil or stupid if you don't agree with us" (eg your post) makes any re-engagement impossible. You seem like a r…

What issues do you feel left behind on? And why do you think the Democratic Party has moved left on them? The mistake I think you're making is that people want to reengage with the fascists that call themselves Republicans or that their political beliefs are legitimate. Your party is letting an authoritarian president tear our rule of law, customs, institutions, economy, and people apart - and it gets worse everyday.…

“Republicans don't believe they should be allowed to exist”

What does this mean?

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by duped »

xyzelement wrote: post #600
duped wrote: post #597

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What issues do you feel left behind on? And why do you think the Democratic Party has moved left on them? The mistake I think you're making is that people want to reengage with the fascists that call themselves Republicans or that their political beliefs are legitimate. Your party is letting an authoritarian president tear our rule of law, customs, institutions, economy, and people apart - and it gets worse everyday.…

As I alluded to in my prior comment - the fact that you are so ready to call people insane fascists (or in prior post, dumb or evil) is the end of the conversation. Wherever you live in the US, at least 1 out of 3 of your neighbors voted for Trump. That's a lot of random people to call fascist.

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by RyanCavanaugh »

arn7av wrote: post #541
nrmitchi wrote: post #535

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A "White House Official" may be saying this now, but it is not what was in the EO that was actually signed. There were no exclusions for current holders, and the start date was explicitly September 21, 2025 (a date that does apply to the "next lottery"). They are more than welcome to roll back this asinine decision, but pretending that everyone else is just mis-interpreting is gaslighting. Either way, until there is…

I agree with the first part, but for the second, this is not an unnamed WH source, it is the Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt

The Press Secretary isn't the Supreme Court. Her say-so doesn't change the plain text of the order, and you're rolling the dice as to which any given border agent is going to choose to believe.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by duped »

baggy_trough wrote: post #601
duped wrote: post #597

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What issues do you feel left behind on? And why do you think the Democratic Party has moved left on them? The mistake I think you're making is that people want to reengage with the fascists that call themselves Republicans or that their political beliefs are legitimate. Your party is letting an authoritarian president tear our rule of law, customs, institutions, economy, and people apart - and it gets worse everyday.…

“Republicans don't believe they should be allowed to exist” What does this mean?

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by rkomorn »

darth_avocado wrote: post #531
sarchertech wrote: post #374

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If you get fired or laid off, you only have 60 days to find a new job or be deported. Also depending on where you are in the green card process, you can lose your place. This creates an incentive for H-1B workers to tolerate working conditions that American workers wouldn't.

Again, if you have terrible work conditions, you as an H1B have the same options as US citizens. You look for a different job and maybe suck it up for a couple of months, just like a US citizen would. And while yes, if have an ongoing green card process which takes 12-18 months, you may have an incentive to stick around to see it to completion, anyone who has their I-140, does not actually “lose their place” in the g…

As someone who's gone from being on H-1Bs for 3 different companies to being a citizen, I can definitely say things were notably worse on the H-1Bs (in terms of feelings of safety and flexibility).

The stress level related to immigration status, whether or not it was worth risking a change, etc, was way higher.

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Post by rich_sasha »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #424
rich_sasha wrote: post #169

UK around Brexit time thought kind of similar: let's keep the "riffraff" immigrants out by applying higher criteria. The narrative also changed this way: we don't want immigrants in general, but you , with your highly paid PhD-requiring job, you can go in, on a 2 year rolling basis. Then everyone's a winner, except for unwanted, unskilled labour. But a lot of skilled labour left anyway. Partly because the general atm…

Immigration exploded after Brexit. While the official line was "Let's keep the riffraff out". the reality was that the Tories used Brexit to bring in plenty of cheap labour from specific countries, and the income requirements are applied very selectively. Foreign students were also encouraged to study here and remain after studying. Initially even family reunion immigration was encouraged, although that's changed now…

Oh sure, immigration - masively up.

High-skilled immigration - not so sure about this.

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Post by ivraatiems »

RyanCavanaugh wrote: post #603
arn7av wrote: post #541

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I agree with the first part, but for the second, this is not an unnamed WH source, it is the Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt

The Press Secretary isn't the Supreme Court. Her say-so doesn't change the plain text of the order, and you're rolling the dice as to which any given border agent is going to choose to believe.

USCIS also says they are not interpreting the order to mean existing visa holders must pay $100k to enter.

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Post by baggy_trough »

duped wrote: post #604
baggy_trough wrote: post #601

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“Republicans don't believe they should be allowed to exist” What does this mean?

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You think that Republicans typically want gay and trans people to be killed, and if not, gone (where?)

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Post by EasyMark »

arn7av wrote: post #518

Update from USCIS: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/H1B... "Clarification" from Press Secretary: https://x.com/PressSec/status/1969495900478488745 1.) This is NOT an annual fee. It’s a one-time fee that applies only to the petition. 2.) Those who already hold H-1B visas and are currently outside of the country right now will NOT be charged $100,000 to re-enter. H-1B visa holders can leave and…

That's what they're saying today. What happens Monday when Trump's not distracted by "Sunday Golf" ?

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Post by mlrtime »

arrowsmith wrote: post #527
yibg wrote: post #519

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Can't pick and choose. Would you be ok with people escaping persecution or spreading their religion coming in the country if they don't bring their parents?

What point do you think you’re responding to exactly? GP mentioned “abandoning your parents” when you immigrate as if that’s absurd. In reality it’s the most normal thing imaginable. I know hundreds of people who live outside their home country and I can’t thing of a single one of them who took their parents with them. When does that ever happen?

100% Right!

My wife "abandoned" her entire family to come to America at 18, didn't speak a word of english, had a suitcase and barely enough money to survive a week.

She doesn't regret it and her family doesn't think they were abandoned.

This "abandoned" idea is great example of a poor idea that goes into policy that doesn't match reality.

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