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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by modzu »

WuxiFingerHold wrote: post #478

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like you i largely came to hn to enjoy an intellectual conversational space away from the sensational political garbage of mainstream media. whatever you think of this submission that is still largely true: we are here, there is openness alongside thoughtful moderation in the comments. that said, this report speaks to my humanity, it should speak to anyone's humanity. if true, it's generationally profound. if intelligence is worth anything, its the possibility that we can change this course of history for the better, and that it's not something left as lesson in textbooks for our grandchildren

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Post by dsab »

andsoitis wrote: post #574

For some reason, I don't see this news mentioned on any mainstream media across the political spectrum (Al Jazeera --> Guardian --> BBC --> CNN / NYT / NPR --> Fox News). Could be that I just missed it, but seems odd.

Yes, this is ownership issue, nothing new :)

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Post by [deleted] »

margalabargala wrote: post #552
mslm wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This specific political topic is on the top of everyone's mind. If the US president was assassinated, would you say the same? If your child was killed for political reasons, would you continue your blissful mornings aloof?

This specific political topic is absolutely not the top of everyone's mind. The number of people on HN that this tangibly affects is frankly miniscule. Most of HN is American. It's on the other side of the world. It has about as much actual effect on the typical American as the just as bad events currently unfolding in Sudan.

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Post by bjoli »

eej71 wrote: post #206
Atlas667 wrote: post #142

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Israel seems like a very ineffective bully considering that the UN consistently condemns them the most vs. any other country in the world. https://unwatch.org/un-condemns-israel-17-times-6-on-rest-of... But for me, this says more about the nature of the UN than that of Israel.

UNRWA -as tens of thousands of people| in Gaza, mostly locals. What would be surprising is if no-one of them supported Hamas.

regarding the number of condemnations: the un is directly involved in gaza, and has been for 70 years. At the same time, the US has blocked any binding resolution in the security council.

At the same time Israel is supposed to be the only democracy in the middle east, and thus subscribe totl the values that funded the UN. That makes it's transgressions feel even worse to many - myself included.

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Post by gorgoiler »

mattmaroon wrote: post #181

@dang isn’t this the exact kind of story HN isn’t supposed to have?

When a discussion like this happens on the front page then it at least provides some useful data for testing the software and moderation tactics for highly flammable subjects.

My conspiratorial mind wonders if it’s done on purpose as a fire drill, but a kind of The Office sitcom fire drill where someone lights an actual fire. (That’s an example of irresponsible behaviour, but I don’t actual think an HN/Israel fire drill is equivalently irresponsible.)

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Post by tdeck »

jcranmer wrote: post #128
beloch wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Net…

There's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of voters in their 20s and 30s for whom support for Israel a red line in candidates. But older generations tend to be staunchly in favor of Israel, and too much of the gerontocratic political class thinks that pro-Israel uber alles is the key to winning votes. It is…

For those who don't know, Cuomo volunteered last year (apropos of nothing, he doesn't have relevant experience) to defend Netanyahu in the ICC. So any "change of mind" he might be expressing now is a little bit... Suspect.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/25/us-news/andrew-cuomo-joins-hig...

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Post by ukblewis »

banku_brougham wrote: post #114
ipaddr wrote: post #69

Wonder why this made the frontpage when other political articles die. Has the rules around political non technical articles changed? Can we get an Epstein thread for the frontpage sometime this week?

maybe because we are two years into an event that will define the early 21st century.

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

runarberg wrote: post #443
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling someone directly out/impugning their motives instead of responding is actually a violation of the HN guidelines. You can respond to topics, not posters. You are the one in violation. This isn't the first time I've seem this 'you aren't in good faith' response on this topic, and is partly why again, HN just isn't a place where a real discussion can be had on this subject.

I want to be clear that my first sentence was speaking generally and not accusing my parent directly of being in bad faith. And in keeping with the spirit of HN I responded to my parent assuming good faith. Otherwise you are right, I have accused others of being in bad faith on this topic, however when I do so, I tend to do it after many more interactions than what I have had with my parent above.

'Maybe you are the exception' isn't keeping in the spirit. You definitely called the person out lowkey without calling them out, then told them the question they asked was off limits instead of answering it, justifying violence in the process.

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Post by ukblewis »

bix6 wrote: post #92
eej71 wrote: post #84

It's always useful to balance these claims against their critics. Towards that end I offer up unwatch. https://unwatch.org/

Is there a specific report arguing that Israel is not committing genocide? I don’t see it on the home page.

Proving the absence of something is kinda impossible… depends on if you believe in guilty until proven innocent or if you’re totally okay with going gung-ho into trusting the UN, a body led by the majority of non-democratic governments and used to try to destroy democracies
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