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Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by qwery »

esperent wrote: post #571
qwery wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're taking it a bit too seriously. In turn, I am, of course, also taking it too seriously. > I do have an issue with claiming that the newly inspired creation is equivalent in any way to the original source Nobody is claiming that the drawing is Anubis or even a depiction of Anubis , like the statues etc. you are interested in. It's a mascot. "Mascot design by CELPHASE" -- it says, in the screenshot. Gener…

I like to talk seriously about art, representation, and culture. What's wrong with that? It's at least as interesting as discussing databases or web frameworks. In case you feel it needs linking to the purpose of this forum, the art in question here is being forcefully shown to people in a situation that makes them do a massive context switch. I want to look at the linux or ffmpeg source code but my browser failed a…

What does all of this have to do with (depictions of, references to, etc.) Anubis though? You responded to a comment about the mascot surely being a "jackalgirl" as opposed to a "catgirl" because of the Anubis name and other references. It seemed like you had an issue with the artwork, that it wasn't Anubisy enough, or something. Why would the drawing being more like the statues improve the situation?

Now you seem to be saying that anything that isn't what you wanted to find on the website is the problem. This makes sense, it just has nothing to do with what is shown on that page. But you're effectively getting frustrated at not getting to the page you wanted to and then directing your frustration toward the presentation of the "error message". That does not make sense.

> I like to talk seriously about art, representation, and culture. What's wrong with that? It's at least as interesting as discussing databases or web frameworks.

I don't have a problem with talking about art, you'll note that I responded in kind. When I said "I think you're taking it too seriously" I wasn't expecting that to be extrapolated to all subjects, just the one that was being discussed in the local context.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by account42 »

rendx wrote: post #517
username332211 wrote: post #505

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All this is true, but also somewhat irrelevant. In reality the amount of actual hash work is completely negligible. For usability reasons Anubus only requires that you to go trough a the proof of work flow only once in a given period. (I think the default is once per week.) That's just very little work. Detecting you need to occasionally send a request trough a headless browser far more of a hassle than the PoW. If y…

> For usability reasons Anubus only requires that you to go trough a the proof of work flow only once in a given period. (I think the default is once per week.) That's just very little work. If you keep cookies. I do not want to keep cookies for otherwise "stateless" sites. I have maybe a dozen sites whitelisted, every other site loses cookies when I close the tab.

A bigger problem is that you should not have to enable javascript for otherwise static sites. If you enable JS, cookies are a relatively minor issue compared to all the other ways the website can keep state about you.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by pembrook »

Something feels bizarrely incongruent about the people using Anubis. These people used to be the most vehemently pro-piracy, pro internet freedom and information accessibility, etc.

Yet now when it's AI accessing their own content, suddenly they become the DMCA and want to put up walls everywhere.

I'm not part of the AI doomer cult like many here, but it would seem to me that if you publish your content publicly, typically the point is that it would be publicly available and accessible to the world...or am I crazy?

As everything moves to AI-first, this just means nobody will ever find your content and it will not be part of the collective human knowledge. At which point, what's the point of publishing it.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by Quanternion »

esperent wrote: post #571
qwery wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're taking it a bit too seriously. In turn, I am, of course, also taking it too seriously. > I do have an issue with claiming that the newly inspired creation is equivalent in any way to the original source Nobody is claiming that the drawing is Anubis or even a depiction of Anubis , like the statues etc. you are interested in. It's a mascot. "Mascot design by CELPHASE" -- it says, in the screenshot. Gener…

I like to talk seriously about art, representation, and culture. What's wrong with that? It's at least as interesting as discussing databases or web frameworks. In case you feel it needs linking to the purpose of this forum, the art in question here is being forcefully shown to people in a situation that makes them do a massive context switch. I want to look at the linux or ffmpeg source code but my browser failed a…

As far as I'm aware it is already possible to change the art displayed (don't know about turning off), most just seem to not care and use the default

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by exasperaited »

gambiting wrote: post #521
marcus_holmes wrote: post #321

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How does this work, though? We can't just have "send me a picture of your ID" because that is pointlessly easy to spoof - just copy someone else's ID. So there must be some verification that you, the person at the keyboard, is the same person as that ID identifies. The UK is rapidly finding out that that is extremely difficult to do reliably. Video doesn't really work reliably on all cases, and still images are too e…

UK is stupidly far behind on this though. On one hand the digitization of government services is really well done(thanks to the fantastic team behind .gov websites), but on the other it's like being in the dark ages of tech. My native country has physical ID cards that contain my personal certificate that I can use to sign things or to - gasp! - prove that I am who I say I am. There is a government app that you can u…

> UK is in this weird place where there isn't one kind of ID that everyone has - for most people it's the driving licence, but obviously that's not good enough.

As a Brit I personally went through a phase of not really existing — no credit card, no driving licence, expired passport - so I know how annoying this can be.

But it’s worth noting that we have this situation not because of mismanagement or technical illiteracy or incompetence but because of a pretty ingrained (centuries old) political and cultural belief that the police shouldn’t be able to ask you “papers please”. We had ID cards in World War II, everyone found them egregious and they were scrapped. It really will be discussed in those terms each time it is mentioned, and it really does come down to this original aspect of policing by consent.

So the age verification thing is running up against this lack of a pervasive ID, various KYC situations also do, we can get an ID card to satisfy verification for in-person voting if we have no others, but it is not proof of identity anywhere else, etc.

It is frustrating to people who do not have that same cultural touchstone but the “no to ID” attitude is very very normal; generally the UK prefers this idea of contextual, rather than universal ID. It’s a deliberate design choice.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by balamatom »

esperent wrote: post #571
qwery wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're taking it a bit too seriously. In turn, I am, of course, also taking it too seriously. > I do have an issue with claiming that the newly inspired creation is equivalent in any way to the original source Nobody is claiming that the drawing is Anubis or even a depiction of Anubis , like the statues etc. you are interested in. It's a mascot. "Mascot design by CELPHASE" -- it says, in the screenshot. Gener…

I like to talk seriously about art, representation, and culture. What's wrong with that? It's at least as interesting as discussing databases or web frameworks. In case you feel it needs linking to the purpose of this forum, the art in question here is being forcefully shown to people in a situation that makes them do a massive context switch. I want to look at the linux or ffmpeg source code but my browser failed a…

>I like to talk seriously about art, representation, and culture. What's wrong with that?

It's no fun.

For one, you pulled your original response out of your ass. That the mascot is not a "catgirl" as identified by OP, but a canine variant of the same concept, because the project is named after the Egyptian god, is both obvious and uninteresting. You added nothing to that.

You're running around shouting "I get the joke, I get the joke" while grandstanding about how serious you are about art, one of the human pursuits helped least by seriousness, considering.

If you've decided you also need to be silly about it today, then at least have the decency to make up a conspiracy theory about the author being in fact a front for an Egyptian cult trying to bring back the old gods using the harvested compute, or whatever.

>massive failure of understanding the target audience.

Heh.

The anime image is put there as an intentional, and to my view rightful, act of irreverence.

One that works, too: I unironically find the people going like "my girl/boss will be mad at me if they see this style of image on my computer" positively hilarious.

>Maybe they could allow changing the art or turning it off?

They sure do. For money. Was in the release announcement.

Not enough irreverence in your game and you can end up being the person who let them build the torment nexus. Many such cases, and that's why we're where we are.

>That said, the anime I tend to like is more Miyazaki or Satoshi Kon and less kawaii girls.

A true connoiseur only watches chibi :3

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by account42 »

pilif wrote: post #389
hedora wrote: post #380

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This was obviously dumb when it launched: 1) scrapers just run a full browser and wait for the page to stabilize. They did this before this thing launched, so it probably never worked. 2) The AI reading the page needs something like 5 seconds * 1600W to process it. Assuming my phone can even perform that much compute as efficiently as a server class machine, it’d take a large multiple of five seconds to do it, and ge…

> This was obviously dumb when it launched: Yes. Obviously dumb but also nearly 100% successful at the current point in time. And likely going to stay successful as the non-protected internet still provides enough information to dumb crawlers that it’s not financially worth it to even vibe-code a workaround. Or in other words: Anubis may be dumb, but the average crawler that completely exhausting some sites resources…

> Yes. Obviously dumb but also nearly 100% successful at the current point in time.

Only if you don't care about negatively affecting real users.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by account42 »

rob_c wrote: post #577
hedora wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was obviously dumb when it launched: 1) scrapers just run a full browser and wait for the page to stabilize. They did this before this thing launched, so it probably never worked. 2) The AI reading the page needs something like 5 seconds * 1600W to process it. Assuming my phone can even perform that much compute as efficiently as a server class machine, it’d take a large multiple of five seconds to do it, and ge…

The argument doesn't quite hold. The mass scraping (for training) is almost never doing by a GPU system it's almost always done by a dedicated system running a full chrome fork in some automated way (not just the signatures but some bugs give that away). And frankly processing a single page of text is run within a single token window so likely is run for a blink (ms) before moving onto the next data entry. The kicker…

The point is that scraping is already inherently cost-intensive so a small additional cost from having to solve a challenge is not going to make a dent in the equation. It doesn't matter what server is doing what for that.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by account42 »

rob_c wrote: post #572
ehnto wrote: post #535

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It's been going on for decades now too. It's a cat and mouse game that will be with us for as long as people try to exploit online resources with bots. Which will be until the internet is divided into nation nets, suffocated by commercial interests, and we all decide to go play outside instead.

No. This went into overdrive in the "AI" (crawlers for massive LLM for ML chatbot) era. Frankly it's something I'm sad we don't yet see a lawsuit for similar to the times v OpenAI. A lot of "new crawlers" claim to innocently forget about established standards like robots.txt I just wish people would name and shame the massive companies at the top stomping on the rest of the internet in an edge to "get a step up over…

Yes, this is not a problem that will be solved with technical measures. Trying to do so is only going to make the web worse for us humans.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by victorbjorklund »

phito wrote: post #486
marcus_holmes wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this work, though? We can't just have "send me a picture of your ID" because that is pointlessly easy to spoof - just copy someone else's ID. So there must be some verification that you, the person at the keyboard, is the same person as that ID identifies. The UK is rapidly finding out that that is extremely difficult to do reliably. Video doesn't really work reliably on all cases, and still images are too e…

In Europe we have itsme. You link the phone app to your ID, then you can use it to scan QR codes to log into websites.

Im from europe I never heard about it
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