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Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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We are not a company, we are a family

Ferengi Rules of Acquisition: #6: Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity. #111: Treat people in your debt like family… exploit them. #211: Employees are the rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them.

#91: Your boss is only worth what he pays you.

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Mercenaries over missionaries. Many employers want employees to act like cult members. But then when going gets tough, those are often the first laid off, and the least prepared for it. Employers, you can't have it both ways. As an employee don't get fooled.

> Employers, you can't have it both ways.

Exactly. Though you can learn a lot about an employer by how it has conducted layoffs. Did they cut profits and management salaries and attempt to reassign people first? Did they provide generous payouts to laid off employees?

If the answer to any of these questions is no then they're not worth committing to.

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> I think that leaks like this have negative information value to the public. To most people I'd think this is mainly for entertainment purposes ie 'palace intrique' and the actual facts don't even matter. > The vast majority of what he and others say doesn't get leaked. So you're eavesdropping on a tiny portion of a conversation. It's impossible not to take it out of context. That's a good spin but coming from someo…

> coming from someone who has an anonymous profile how do we know it's true My profile is trivially connected to my real identity, I am not anonymous here.

How is it trivially connected to your real identity exactly?

I am not seeing how it is at all.

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This is a strong claim, given it is listed as a free, copyleft license: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.en.html Could you expand on why you think it's nonfree? Also, it's not that hard to comply with either...

For some people "free" means "autonomy", and copyleft licences do a lot to restrict autonomy.

So interestingly, free meant autonomy for Stallman and the original proponents of "copyleft" style licenses too. But autonomy for end-users, not developers. But Stallman et al believed the copyleft style licenses maximized autonomy for end-users, rightly or wrongly, that was the intent.

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Another funny possibly sad coincidence is that the licenses that made open source what it is will probably be absolutely useless going forward, because as recent precedent has shown, companies can train on what they have legally gained access to. On the other hand, AGPL continues to be the future of F/OSS.

The AGPL is a nonfree license that is virtually impossible to comply with. It’s an EULA trying to pretend it’s a license. You can’t have it both ways.

It's not really "virtually impossible to comply with". It's very restrictive, yes, but not hard to comply if you want to.

And yes, it is an EULA pretending to be a license. I'd put good odds on it being illegal in my country, and it may even be illegal on the US. But it's well aligned with the goals of GNU.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Mercenaries over missionaries. Many employers want employees to act like cult members. But then when going gets tough, those are often the first laid off, and the least prepared for it. Employers, you can't have it both ways. As an employee don't get fooled.

A Ronin is just a Samurai who has learned his lesson.

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Anytime someone tells you to be in it for the mission, you are expendable and underpaid.

Could Facebook hire away OpenAI people just by matching their comp? Doubtful. Facebook is widely hated and embarrassing to work at. Facebook has to offer significantly more. And if someone at OpenAI says hey Facebook just offered me more money to jump ship, that's when OpenAI says "Sorry to hear, best of luck. Seeya!" In this scenario, you're only underpaid by staying at OpenAI if you have no sense of shame.

> Doubtful. Facebook is widely hated and embarrassing to work at. Facebook has to offer significantly more.

I’m at a point in my career and life at 51 that I wouldn’t work for any BigTech company (again) even if I made twice what I make now. Not that I ever struck it rich. But I’m doing okay. Yes I’ve turned down overtures at both GCP, Azure, etc.

But I did work for AWS (ProServe) from the time I was 46-49 remotely knowing going in that it was a toxic shit show for both the money and for the niche I wanted to pivot to (cloud consulting) I knew it would open doors and it has.

If I were younger and still focused on money instead of skating my way to retirement working remotely, doing the digital nomad thing off an on etc, I would have no moral qualms about grinding leetcode and exchanging my labor for as much money as possible at Meta. No one is out here feeding starving children or making the world a better place working for a for profit company.

My “mission” would be to exchange as much money as possible for labor and I tell all of the younger grads the same thing.

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I've seen paying people too much completely erode the core of teams. It's really hard to convince yourself to work 60 hour weeks when you have generational FU$ and a family you love.

> really hard to convince yourself to work 60 hour weeks

Good!

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Capitalists don't like markets, or at least not the markets that we're told capitalism will bring about. Those markets are supposed to increase competition and drive down prices until companies are making just barely enough to survive. What capitalist wants that for himself? He wants decreased competitions and sky high prices for himself, and increased competition and lower prices for his competitors and suppliers.

> Capitalists don't like markets, or at least not the markets that we're told capitalism will bring about. The "markets" most people learn about are artificial Econ 101 constructions. They're pedagogical tools for explaining elasticity and competition under the assumption that all widgets are equally and infinitely fungible. An assumption which ignores marginal value, individual preferences, innovation and other thin…

what is his end goal in being left to trade as he sees fit? is it maximizing profit? is that the fundamental goal of all actors in this system?
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