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IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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If Russia were to win the war and a Ukrainian underground would launch "guerrilla attacks" against Russia, they would be lauded as heros. Now here we have a somewhat similar story, of a foreign invader that displaced the local people not too long ago and a remaining native opposition. There is no version of this that will end up with the Palestinians getting a fair outcome. I've calling this a genocide quite early on, sadly it looks like I was right and there is probably many condemning details we aren't yet aware of.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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> Now, when friendly fire occurs, when mistakes are made, unintentionally or from bad strategic intelligence, it shocks people more than it used to. Please consider these things as well when determining how you feel about Israel's recent response OK https://zionism.observer / https://tiktokgenocide.com

We are more connected with digital recording devices in the hands of more people on this planet than ever before. It also makes it possible to isolate information from one perspective, for example, creating a dedicated website to promote an idea. Just curious, are there similar sites recording the repeated terrorist attacks against Israel? The rapes? Information is only good when it contains enough context to intelli…

> dedicated website to promote an idea

Idea or reality?

> don't suppose you could link those as well could you?

I can, but that's not what is under any scrutiny or question by you.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Some context first so my opinion isn't misconstrued as as leftist stereotype. This is within context of the behavior described in the article. - I'm a Jew in USA, and served in the military for more than a decade. - I used to get annoyed by the Palestinian protests I'd see in the years before this, and generally sided with Israel, and the operations its military performed in counter-Shia-militia operations etc in the…

RIght this isn't Israel as a whole, it's the crazed right wing Netanyahu government. I can understand taking out Hamas but their tactics have far superceded what is considered "not a war crime"

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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People ought to understand that this problem of innocent Gazans - often children - being fired upon by IDF soldiers isn't a new one, it predates the current food distribution operation. An article from October in the NY Times detailing some well-documented atrocities ("44 health care workers saw multiple cases of preteen children who had been shot in the head or chest in Gaza") was published as an opinion piece, in s…

Most people do understand, there are many sites dedicated to citing and maintaining lists of the atrocities for easy access through google. I think it's okay just to refer to the incident in the article and immediate opinions and emotions it evokes.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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As a westerner, I feel ashamed that my country is Isreal's ally. It makes me guilty by association because the western world is letting Israel commit thoses atrocities. Worse, we are helping them when they need it, and closing our eyes when they don't want us to watch.

THe USA is currently run by a convicted felon, so it doesn't really surprise me.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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It's a state founded on ethnic cleansing. People were already living there when settlers came to create an ethno-state for themselves. In late 1947, their militias begun a campaign of massacring and expelling Palestinians from mostly defenseless villages. These refuges pouring into neighboring Arab countries is what prompted the 1948 war. When the war ended, they murdered any civilians trying to return to their homes…

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Maybe because it happened 1000 years ago and there are people being killed in Gaza at this very moment?

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As a westerner, I feel ashamed that my country is Isreal's ally. It makes me guilty by association because the western world is letting Israel commit thoses atrocities. Worse, we are helping them when they need it, and closing our eyes when they don't want us to watch.

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They have a right to take out Hamas, they don't have the right to mow down crowds of starving people with sub-machine guns while they're just trying to get to some food

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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They can take out nuclear scientists thousands of kilometers away by either planting bombs in their cars in traffic or firing accurate munitions through their windows when they sleep. Thousands of kilometers away. The IDF can be highly sophisticated in their plans and methods when they want to.

I‘m sorry, but you’re comparing apples to bedrooms. Israel vs. Iran is a war/conflict between two proper countries‘ militaries - which means that both belligerents stick to certain agreed upon rules and military traditions, such as trying to separate the civilian from the military world/infrastructure. In lack of another word (haven’t slept, please forgive me for the choice of word), there’s “honor“ and a notion of e…

For as long as countries like Israel stand against giving Palestinians a legitimate state, militias and terror groups will continue to rise. The US showed that it was possible to fight an insurgency as an occupying force without resorting to literally levelling cities. It was not easy, it took more lives than they hoped, but they did it anyway, because they at least acted like war crimes out in the open was off limits.
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