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Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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...XOR? So it can carry the 2 extra people, it can carry some luggage, it can't carry both, and it can't carry neither ?

^ Pedant detected

I suppose, but I only responded because they went out of their way to say xor, and put it in all caps too.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Wow, USD 8 to 11 per km. Hong Kong taxis cost USD 3.5 for the first 2 km, then USD 1.4/km, and less than a dollar per km above USD 13. https://www.td.gov.hk/en/transport_in_hong_kong/public_trans...

The prices are pretty shocking for me too (Hungary). I don't use taxis much due to the city being pretty walkable, and there being good public transport, but a quick check says that taxis here have a base fare of 3.16 USD, after which it's 1.26 USD per km or 0.32 USD per minute, depending on the billing option (the two are roughly equal around 15 km/h speed).

Another thing that is odd for me is that for all 3 companies in the article, the average trip seems to be less than 2 km. I'm slightly more "walkey" than the average person for sure, but that is a leisurely 15 minute walk, and on the threshold of the distance I would start considering public transport for. With bags to the airport, sure, I'd take a taxi. But I find it hard to believe that the average person is ~2 km from the airport, so the median trip is likely done without extensive luggage at an _even shorter_ distance. I find this kind of absurd.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Isolationism progresses.

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Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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The point is a bad one that should be missed. $3 isn't negligible. It isn't usually [0] worth spending $4 to recover, but it is nonetheless money. People can't just arbitrarily charge each other $3 for nothing. [0] Game theory says sometimes it makes sense to be unreasonable.

It's not arbitrary. It's part of an ongoing relationship that is worth significantly more. That $3 came out of the trust they have with the company. But even though they're wary now, they still have some trust and want to use the service in the future. Some random guy asking for $3 is a wildly different situation. It's not about the $3, it's about the relationship. A close analogy would be Netflix going up $2. If you…

The company is valuing the relationship at You can keep using them if you want. But history has no meaning when dealing with that sort of company.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Charges for goods not delivered as agreed falls under the protection of the Fair Credit Billing Act. If you made a good faith attempt to resolve with the merchant (which you did) you should use your credit card to charge back the amount (some let you request a partial charge back, but if not you can request a full one and explain in the extra info that you want a partial one). This might not seem worth it for $3, but…

And then you're forever barred from using the service.

Apple screwed me once so I did a chargeback

My account was soft banned - everything I own

It should be illegal to allow services to ban you for a chargeback

Those don’t happen just willy nilly - it means your credit card reviewed your dispute and you won

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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post #592

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People are excited by driverless cars but it also means a car with no social barriers and no person who considers the cars condition important. For now they’re well surveilled and a premium vehicle. Soon they will be filthy pods in a race to the bottom with all the charm of a public bathroom. They’ll be cheap, but you’ll get what you pay for. Private driverless cars will be the premium alternative.

People adapt. Hopefully it will be more like elevators and less like public toilets. And then there will be cameras

With per-per-minute sharing cars having existed in many cities in Europe 10+ years, this concept is not new.

People will adapt to the level of cleanliness in the car the get into, so it's a slippery slope. Users will behave respectfully in the early days (maybe because they are first-movers), and then it deteriorates long term.

My own experience is that people used to not even leave an empty soda bottle in the cars and now I see remains from take-out in the floor, coffee cups, chewing gum left around the dashboard etc. You can report this to the car service, but they won't be able to take any meaningful action on it.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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This seems... interesting, legally speaking. I imagine the idea is that you're implicitly accepting alterations to the previous contract by opting to take the car? Would that argument hold water, legally?

Especially since you may have no time to wait for another car. There’s an element of “duress” here

It’s plain bait and switch.

You paid a premium for promised X, specifically. Y showed up. This is the equivalent of buying a first class ticket, and getting put in economy.

Someone should class action this bs.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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post #542

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That's must be annoying to say the least. In India drivers require an OTP to start a ride. The OTP is the same for a user across rides, so I have mine memorised which is nifty. No fiddling with the phone during boarding. On security: exploiting this would require the driver to stay in my vicinity the next time I book a ride, and also get the ride assigned to them. In a high population density area, it's rare - I've n…

An OTP that's reused?

An MTP

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Why do you assume the surveillance will go away as they become cheaper? The taxi company know who is in their car and they have access to interior cameras if something happens. In many respects, it is going to be even more difficult to take a dump in one and get away with it than if a human was driving it. They have your credit card number and visual evidence of what you did, they will just charge your card automatic…

Because if they ever become super popular, it will be prohibitively expensive to actually police all the surveillance. Likely to store / process it all. AI does an alright job summarizing videos today (Gemini Flash) but it has to get a lot better if they're going to actually police at scale.

The next rider will alert if something outrageous has happened.
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