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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by matt-attack »

lemoncookiechip wrote: post #497
Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Because this isn't about that. This is about having a perceived enemy that only you can fight. If it wasn't immigrants (legal or illegal), it would be a different group, within or outside of your borders. It's fascism 101.

Perceived enemy? Even the most liberal of cities touting themselves as “sanctuary cities” had to pivot and declare they simply cannot handle the influx.

12million immigrants came into the country during the Biden administration. This type of load on the system does not go unnoticed. NYC for example was drastically transformed.

Why do you think it’s just a “perceived” problem?

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by matt-attack »

JCattheATM wrote: post #591
Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

> If illegal immigration is such a problem, It isn't remotely the problem or even in the same galaxy as needing this type of response. The cause for the actions is racism. The protests are due to calling out racism and removing due process. Anything else is denial or sophistry, that's the simple truth.

So all counties with strong border policies are racist? That’s preposterous. Australia has some of the strictest border policies (drastically more strict than us). Do you believe they’re just racist policies too?

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by righthand »

major505 wrote: post #545
Hilift wrote: post #493

California has 25% of the 11 million unauthorized immigrants in the US. Last year, while Biden attempted to promote an immigration bill that did not pass, California made Medicaid available to unauthorized immigrants. 22% of California residents are on Medicaid, requiring $85 billion per year in matching federal assistance. Now the state has a $12 billion deficit projection for 2026. Los Angeles city recently issued…

The problem is that people think that because they have a degree they will not be affect by the illegal imigration crisis. They think this is a problem only for blue collar workers, that they cannot empathize with.

11 million is less than 5% of the population. What immigration crises? Less than 5% is a working system.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by matt-attack »

jonplackett wrote: post #399
Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Because they don’t really care. It’s just about creating divisions in society to keep people voting for people that do everything against their interests.

Or maybe they just got tired of millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system? We had unprecedented levels of illegal immigration over the last four years. Do you think it went unnoticed and didn’t adversely affect anyone?

Why jump to these conspiracy notions about division and blatantly ignore the simplest and most obvious explanation.

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Post by emittens »

vixen99 wrote: post #511
techdmn wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just watched a vid of LAPD trampling a person with a horse, then shooting them with what looked like a baton round at a range of 5-10 feet. That is a life altering injury, administered with direct intent, while the protestor was trying to flee. Holding my breath for zero consequences for unnecessary force. Not to mention qualified immunity. LAPD doing LAPD things. How can one argue that the police serve the people? T…

How can the incident (with video evidence) you describe not potentially result in criminal charges? Why hold your breath? Surely there are countless people to act on that.

In the U.S. police are not typically held accountable for violence like this. They might go to trial, but even then are rarely found guilty.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by kstrauser »

matt-attack wrote: post #601
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this isn't about that. This is about having a perceived enemy that only you can fight. If it wasn't immigrants (legal or illegal), it would be a different group, within or outside of your borders. It's fascism 101.

Perceived enemy? Even the most liberal of cities touting themselves as “sanctuary cities” had to pivot and declare they simply cannot handle the influx. 12million immigrants came into the country during the Biden administration. This type of load on the system does not go unnoticed. NYC for example was drastically transformed. Why do you think it’s just a “perceived” problem?

That’s a lie. The actual number was closer to 4 million. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/uni...

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Post by a_shovel »

FergusArgyll wrote: post #593

More Americans think the US is on the right track than at any point during the Obama administration https://news.gallup.com/poll/1669/General-Mood-Country.aspx

38% is still deep in "F" territory.

The last time we got a "C" (70%) was December 2001. That probably means something regarding what this poll is measuring.

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Post by vel0city »

falcor84 wrote: post #563
snarf21 wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the whole platform is about Othering. The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was convincing the middle class that the poor are the cause of all their problems.

I'm confused. I don't recall anyone ever saying that we need to get rid of the poor, but rather that we should try to make conditions better for everyone such that fewer people are poor. Did I miss my scheduled indoctrination message?

> we should try to make conditions better for everyone such that fewer people are poor

Explain how work requirements to qualify for Medicaid makes conditions better to ensure there are fewer poor people. Doesn't this just harm people who can't work due to disability, and practically ensure they will never get better enough to work and contribute to society?

Sure saves a lot of money for wealthy people though.

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Post by pyronik19 »

coldpie wrote: post #597
typeofhuman wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You (intentionally?) forgot to include the acts of violence that kicked all of this off: the government abducting, arresting, and deporting our neighbors. There were, and are, many other options available to the government that would not have lead to this escalation & violence.

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by sigwinch »

falcor84 wrote: post #563
snarf21 wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the whole platform is about Othering. The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was convincing the middle class that the poor are the cause of all their problems.

I'm confused. I don't recall anyone ever saying that we need to get rid of the poor, but rather that we should try to make conditions better for everyone such that fewer people are poor. Did I miss my scheduled indoctrination message?

I look for the message of helping the poor, but it’s frustrating that politicians can evade it and their self-attained devotion to Christianity go unchallenged.

The phrases to look for are “infested” and “purge”. Some politicians consider low-income to be a character of a person or a group (all the way up to a nation). Those same politicians laud language from Hitler about infestations and metaphors of racial purity.

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