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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by clutchdude »

socalgal2 wrote: post #34

I don't know if it's the same people but many of the comments here seem the opposite of the comments on EUs rules where people say they're targeting specific companies and comments say "no, the rules are such than all companies over a certain size are covered". If the rule is 85% domestic than any company can do it. I'm not saying the tariffs are good. Only that their point is to get things made domesticly

US states do this frequently - for example, Texas often passes laws that stipulate "cities having a population over...." such that only the major cities have laws applied to them or certain companies having over employees/users/customers over a certain amount.

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Post by davidw »

fallingknife wrote: post #379
davidw wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I generally agree with Musk's politics Children are dying in Africa as a direct result of his actions right now. https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/04/14/g-s1-...

Where are all the other concerned countries stepping in to help since the US has left? Why is the US the only country that is considered responsible for the problems of foreign countries while every other country is given the luxury of focusing only on their domestic affairs?

If that's what you want to happen, you say "in a year, we're going to cut off this aid" so that there is time for someone else to step in.

But they just cut it off from one day to the next in a place with challenging logistics, ensuring that some of the world's poorest people are likely to die so the world's wealthiest man can muck around in politics as a hobby.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

chgs wrote: post #499
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Repeal the act capping house representatives to 435. The house then expands massively and you get more representative government.

So you have 6,000 representatives, which is about the same ratio as the population back in 1790. What does each one do? What agency does each have? They get 20 minutes a year to speak assuming a 2000 hour working year.

The point is to make it easier for people to hassle their representative, and to make it feasible for them to actually understand what the people they represent actually want.

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Post by 542354234235 »

lazide wrote: post #449
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump’s term ends with a high probability of a Democrat being elected to clean up his mess, as happened in 2020 and 2008. He will almost certainly lose congress in the midterm unless he can somehow suspend the election (all bets are off if the constitution falls).

It’s like none of you saw Jan 6th, or his pardoning of folks at all. It’s seriously bizarre.

Or his exec order asserting that the 2020 election was stolen and targeting former CISA head Chris Krebs for not lying to that effect in his security evaluations of the voting systems.

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Post by jollyllama »

watwut wrote: post #581
legitster wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump was never actually a "free market" idealogue. And the GOP officially dropped any mentions of it from their party platform a few years ago. If anything, they are doing exactly what they promised. They were against globalism and elites and international agreements and governance and they are being true to their words.

They are not against elites. They are elites vaging war on their ennemies who are not elites.

All political conflict is elite vs. elite. The extent to which non-elites are targeted is collateral damage or as proxy forces.

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Post by mindslight »

rayiner wrote: post #559
mindslight wrote: post #399

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> who the police are being deployed to protect, private citizens or the government itself I must have missed the outpouring of Republican support for the black lives matter protests when they were attacked by police riots or when police stations were attacked. No private citizens being protected there, and the protesting was directly against government oppression (including of the 2nd amendment even!).

Republicans don’t think that police using lethal force against people with long criminal records—which come from terrorizing fellow citizens—is “government oppression.” That doesn’t describe every person that was the subject of the protests, but certainly describes the people who became the figureheads.

That's some high and mighty rhetoric, but it doesn't apply at all to Kenneth Walker (whose second amendment rights were trampled on) or Breonna Taylor (who died because of it). So once again, did I just miss the outpouring of Republican support for those specific protests or what?

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by [deleted] »

mmooss wrote: post #280
alwa wrote: post #100

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It appears that the American Automobile Labeling Act measures domestic content on a value basis (that is, the amount the manufacturer pays the supplier for it): https://www.nhtsa.gov/part-583-american-automobile-labeling-...

Does that include tariffs?

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by throw16180339 »

bilbo0s wrote: post #323
soared wrote: post #309

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Is this saying the viewpoint is that violence against the government (capitol police) is supported, violence against local police is not supported (back the blue) and violence against citizens is supported (back the blue)?

The guy's arguing all over the place. Not much of it makes logical sense unless you stop looking for logic in the arguments. Suffice to say, like most ideologues, the beliefs make sense when analyzed in accordance with the logic rules of the holder of the beliefs. Think of the beliefs being discussed more as doctrinal tenets of a pseudo religious sect, and you get a little closer to the thinking of the adherents.

Their beliefs are fairly simple.

Members of the in-group have divine right and shouldn't be bound by laws. Anyone who opposes them is the enemy and should be harmed or destroyed.

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Post by porphyra »

542354234235 wrote: post #599
porphyra wrote: post #596

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Tesla also has a strong culture of preferring vertical integration. And most research unambiguously shows that Teslas are the most Anerican-made.

Source? OP comment has actual numbers and sourcing, so to state otherwise needs more than taking your word for it.

* cars.com American made index: https://www.cars.com/american-made-index/

* kogod American auto index: https://kogod.american.edu/autoindex/2024

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by ethbr1 »

exe34 wrote: post #498
ethbr1 wrote: post #429

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> Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours... The facts: - There was a report that Amazon was going to begin showing prices - Amazon clarified that was for their low-cost Amazon Haul site, not their main one - The White House griped about them at a press briefing - There were reports Trump called Bezos The whole thin…

How do you go from: 1. White House uses machinery of state to force the hand of private enterprise to hide impact of tariffs on prices. 2. Private enterprise acquiesces. to "The whole thing is murky at best"? It's pretty clear fascism to me. From wikipedia (while they are allowed to exist): "centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition".

One has to be careful, with faced with opposition that ignores facts, not to succumb to the same debasement.

We all have speculation about what might have happened behind the scenes -- but it's just that, speculation.

Disliking Trump isn't license to spin supposition as factual reality.

Hyperbolic phrasing for effect errodes respect for reality, regardless of which side it comes from.

(I realize there's a 50/50 chance I'm going to get a whataboutism spiel in response to this, focusing on your fascism phrasing, and how you believe it is supported. I'd encourage you to take a beat and instead consider places you were reaching past what facts supported in your original phrasing.)

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