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Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by toss1 »

pc86 wrote: post #584
_Algernon_ wrote: post #566

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure in how incarceration can be considered a smaller sacrifice of rights than vehicle tracking.

Not sure how incarcerating people who are guilty of a crime is unconscionable but monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately is totally fine and no problem whatsoever.

>>monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately

That is a 100% strawman argument. NO ONE is proposing such measures

No proposal, even the blanket EU requirements eliminate privacy in travel. The devices all work entirely locally with GPS to monitor speed vs local limits, and upon exceeding local limits, output an audio/tactile alert and/or limit accelerator input. I have never seen any mention of reporting speeds or positions, and would be very alarmed if I had; if you've seen any, please provide citations.

Again, no one is proposing monitoring everyone all the time. The proposal is only for temporary monitors/limiters to be placed on cars of people convicted o related offenses after due judicial process, and only for the time of their sentence. Again, if you have citations on more extensive restrictions, please post them.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by cormorant »

hammock wrote: post #196
cormorant wrote: post #141

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The full relevant book was: "A guide for highway traffic regulation in an emergency". https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=ien.35556021306899&se... The Maintain Top Safe Speed thing was envisioned for transiting across fallout-contaminated areas in the weeks and months afterwards. It prescribes there would be cops stationed at the ends of such routes, limiting the flow of cars entering so that those within the stre…

That is a goofy solution favoring the people who get to the highway first. Increasing inequality of fallout damage is the intended outcome?

The checkpoint is supposed to be in a place where it's safe to wait.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by ryao »

toss1 wrote: post #601
pc86 wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how incarcerating people who are guilty of a crime is unconscionable but monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately is totally fine and no problem whatsoever.

>>monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately That is a 100% strawman argument. NO ONE is proposing such measures No proposal, even the blanket EU requirements eliminate privacy in travel. The devices all work entirely locally with GPS to monitor speed vs local limits, and upon exceeding local limits, output an audio/tactile alert and/or limit accelerator inp…

Do you apply the same logic to backdoors in encryption? I am sure you could say no one is proposing implementing and using back doors on the general public as a whole, as they would only be for criminal elements. The reason that people oppose this is because the shift from only affecting criminal elements to affecting everyone is so easy to do that nothing would stop it once the infrastructure is in place.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by SnazzyUncle »

poincaredisk wrote: post #580
SnazzyUncle wrote: post #543

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Most of the time I don't need a puncture repair kit / spare inner tube when cycling, but when I have a puncture I really need it. You don't feel the need for something like a gun for self defence. However if/when you do need to defend yourself then your opinion will quickly change.

Except it's the other way around? Some people here claim that they do feel the need for a gun. However, if that's true, then it's surprising that in most counties with stricter gun (i.e. most counties) laws don't agree.

No it isn't the other way around. Some young men (in the UK) in high crime areas will carry them illegally because it makes them feel safer. UK has strict gun and knife laws.

https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/london-knife-crim...

https://www.barnardos.org.uk/blog/what-young-people-say-abou...

https://theconversation.com/why-so-many-young-british-men-ar...

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by raincom »

pc86 wrote: post #584
_Algernon_ wrote: post #566

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure in how incarceration can be considered a smaller sacrifice of rights than vehicle tracking.

Not sure how incarcerating people who are guilty of a crime is unconscionable but monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately is totally fine and no problem whatsoever.

Automated License Plate Readers (ALPRs) are used by every state in the US. They already have algorithms on top of these ALPRs to pull out suspects for possible drug mules.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by austin-cheney »

I have never understood the chronic war on travel velocity. Its like the war on drugs, but far more pointless.

Speed is just one of many factors, and perhaps the least significant, in the frequency and probability of traffic accidents. Speed is absolutely a factor in the severity of an accident, but not the probability of one after accounting for all other variables. For example, if you leave sufficient distance between your vehicle and the vehicle in front of you then speed is almost completely eliminated as a factor of accidents on most freeways.

I really think municipalities go to war on speed just as a means to retrieve extra tax revenue.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by raincom »

toss1 wrote: post #601
pc86 wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how incarcerating people who are guilty of a crime is unconscionable but monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately is totally fine and no problem whatsoever.

>>monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately That is a 100% strawman argument. NO ONE is proposing such measures No proposal, even the blanket EU requirements eliminate privacy in travel. The devices all work entirely locally with GPS to monitor speed vs local limits, and upon exceeding local limits, output an audio/tactile alert and/or limit accelerator inp…

Come on, ALPRs violate privacy of drivers.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by _Algernon_ »

pc86 wrote: post #584
_Algernon_ wrote: post #566

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure in how incarceration can be considered a smaller sacrifice of rights than vehicle tracking.

Not sure how incarcerating people who are guilty of a crime is unconscionable but monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately is totally fine and no problem whatsoever.

This is specifically about a judge mandating tracking as a punishment for a crime. The comment I responded to suggested incarceration as a lesser sacrifice to rights.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by lillecarl »

mschuster91 wrote: post #594
lillecarl wrote: post #445

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KE = ½mv² shows that kinetic energy is directly proportional to the mass of an object and proportional to the square of its velocity. This means that doubling the mass doubles the kinetic energy, but doubling the velocity quadruples the kinetic energy. The kinetic energy of an 1800 kg car traveling at 30 km/h is about 62.5 kJ The kinetic energy of an 1800 kg car traveling at 50 km/h is about 173.6 kJ The kinetic ener…

> KE = ½mv² shows that kinetic energy is directly proportional to the mass of an object and proportional to the square of its velocity. This means that doubling the mass doubles the kinetic energy, but doubling the velocity quadruples the kinetic energy. You're wrong there, that assumption fundamentally only makes sense on a full-on hard crash to 0 km/h - and about the only cases where that happens on a German road a…

I don't think anyone was looking at the kJ numbers and going "ah that makes sense". I put 3 examples to show the relativity, it's still squared to the relative crash speed.

What matters is keeping speeds especially low where humans without cars/trucks can be involved.

But people are also scrolling their phones and might miss a panic brake, and while that's an issue in itself it would also be safer at lower speeds.

Considering the time gained is going to be relatively low unless you're traveling extremely far at consistent speed it makes little sense to increase speeds, it also makes for more brake dust and emissions both being at speed and getting up to speed.

Funnily enough the air resistance also increases by the square, so think about that if you think that petrol is expensive.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by digbybk »

hermannj314 wrote: post #595
jampekka wrote: post #573

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You could do it without any surveillance. Just have a feature in the car where the ECU will limit the speed when e.g. programmed via the CAN-bus. Such speed limits are quite common. E.g. mopeds in Finland have been (mechanically) speed limited for decades. Electric bikes are also limited to not supply force above 25km/h (IIRC).

I am fully in support of making cars or mopeds or all travel safer. The US government and state governments are openly hostile to our residents and currently implementing massive mechanisms to track and control our population including our immigrant communities, women who need access to birth control, LGBTQ communities . The government wanting a system that requires GPS and speed information to allow law enforcement…

Cars are the leading cause of death of children in the US. More than cancer. Maybe you're right, I don't know, but it's not the "obvious goal".
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