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Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by isaacremuant »

latentsea wrote: post #529
isaacremuant wrote: post #84

This is extremely funny. AI can't have accountability. Good luck with that. Use AI to augment but don't really replace it as a 100% system if you can't predict and own up the failure rate. My advice would be to use more configurable tools with less interest on selling fake perfection. Aider works.

> AI can't have accountability Sure it can. You just have to bake into the reward function "if you do the wrong thing, people will stop using you, therefore you need to avoid the wrong thing". Then you wind up at self-preservation and all the wholly shady shit that comes along with it. I think the AI accountability problem is the crux of the "last-mile" problem in AI, and I don't think you can necessarily solve it wi…

I don't want to get into a semantics argument but that's not accountability. That's just one more behavior prompt/indication but you can't fire the LLM. It might still do the wrong thing.

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Post by jgb1984 »

x1xx wrote: post #580
jgb1984 wrote: post #125

LLM anything makes me queasy. Why would any self respecting software developer use this tripe? Learn how to write good software. Become an expert in the trade. AI anything will only dig a hole for software to die in. Cheapens the product, butchers the process and absolutely decimates any hope for skill development for future junior developers. I'll just keep chugging along, with debian, python and vim, as I always ha…

If you are like me (same vim, python, no LLM, no autocompletion, no syntax highlighting noise), LSP will make you a better developer: it makes navigating the codebase MUCH easier, including stdlib and 3rd party dependencies. As a result, you don't lose flow and end up reading considerably more code than you would have otherwise.

Actually, I'm kind of cheating because I use https://github.com/davidhalter/jedi-vim for that purpose: allows me to jump to definitions with d ;) Excellent plugin, and doesn't require an LSP.

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by pas »

mvieira38 wrote: post #534
skrebbel wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Offtopic but I'm still sad that "On Bullshit" didn't go for that highest form of book titles, the single noun like "Capital", "Sapiens", etc

Starting with "On" is cooler in philosophical tradition, though, starting in classical and medieval times, e.g. On Interpretation, On the Heavens, etc by Aristotle, De Veritate, De Malo, etc. by Aquinas. Capital is actually "Das Kapital", too

It's very hipster, Das Kapital. (with the dot/period, check the cover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital#/media/File:Zentra... )

But in English it would be just "Capital", right? (The uncountable nouns are rarely used with articles, it's "happiness" not "the happiness". See also https://old.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/12hf5wd/comment/jf... )

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by pas »

skrebbel wrote: post #600
mvieira38 wrote: post #534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starting with "On" is cooler in philosophical tradition, though, starting in classical and medieval times, e.g. On Interpretation, On the Heavens, etc by Aristotle, De Veritate, De Malo, etc. by Aquinas. Capital is actually "Das Kapital", too

Yeah so I meant the Piketty book, not Marx. But I googled it and turns out it's actually named "Capital in the Twenty-First Century", which disappoints me even more than "On Bullshit"

And, for the full picture it's probably important to consider that the main claim of the book is based on very unreliable data/methodology. (Though note that it does not necessarily make the claim false! See [1])

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/10/pi...

And then later similar claims about inequality were similarly made using bad methodology (data).

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2023/12/th...

[1] "Indeed, in some cases, Sutch argues that it has risen more than Piketty claims. Sutch is rather a journeyman of economic history upset not about Piketty’s conclusions but about the methods Piketty used to reach those conclusions."

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Post by bigyabai »

infecto wrote: post #217
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #194

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Yes, I’m complaining about complainers. It’s the circle of life on Hacker News, someone always has to play the food chain’s top predator: the mildly annoyed power user.

Mildly annoyed power users don't even show up on the food-chain until they put their money where their mouth is. Put another way, Cursor cares more about their failed conversions than they prioritize their sycophants that would pay $20/month for a Pepsi and a foot massage.

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by _jonas »

nerdjon wrote: post #63

There is a certain amount of irony that people try really hard to say that hallucinations are not a big problem anymore and then a company that would benefit from that narrative gets directly hurt by it. Which of course they are going to try to brush it all away. Better than admitting that this problem very much still exists and isn’t going away anytime soon.

I see this fallacy often too.

My company provides hallucination detection software: https://cleanlab.ai/tlm/

But we somehow end up in sales meetings where the person who requested the meeting claims their AI does not hallucinate ...

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by _jonas »

cs702 wrote: post #143

Yup, hallucinations are still a big problem for LLMs. Nope, there's no reliable solution for them, as of yet. There's hope that hallucinations will be solved by someone, somehow, soon... but hope is not a strategy. There's also hype about non-stop progress in AI. Hype is more a strategy... but it can only work for so long. If no solution materializes soon, many early-adopter LLM projects/trials will be cancelled. Sig…

My startup is working on this fundamental problem.

You can try out our early product here: https://cleanlab.ai/tlm/

(free to try, we'd love to hear your feedback)

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by _jonas »

dylan604 wrote: post #59
AstroBen wrote: post #24

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I don't agree with that at all. Hallucination is a very well known issue. Sure leverage AI to improve their productivity.. but not even having a human look over the responses shows they don't care about their customers

If you had a human support person feeding the support question into the AI to get a hint, do you think that support person is going to know that the AI response is made up and not actually a correct answer? If they knew the correct answer, they wouldn't have needed to ask the AI.

Exactly, that's why my startup recommends all LLM outputs should come with trustworthiness scores:

https://cleanlab.ai/tlm/

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by skrebbel »

pas wrote: post #604
skrebbel wrote: post #600

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah so I meant the Piketty book, not Marx. But I googled it and turns out it's actually named "Capital in the Twenty-First Century", which disappoints me even more than "On Bullshit"

And, for the full picture it's probably important to consider that the main claim of the book is based on very unreliable data/methodology. (Though note that it does not necessarily make the claim false! See [1]) https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/10/pi... And then later similar claims about inequality were similarly made using bad methodology (data). https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolut…

You misunderstand. I never read it. I simply liked the title, at least before I understood "Capital" that wasn't actually the title.

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by furyofantares »

gblargg wrote: post #327
furyofantares wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. And maybe they added that to the signature later anyway. But OP in the reddit thread did seem aware it was an AI agent.

OP in Reddit thread posted screenshot and it is not labeled as AI: https://old.reddit.com/r/cursor/comments/1jyy5am/psa_cursor_...

Thanks. They must have added it after, I only tried it just before I pasted my result here.
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