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Re: 4o Image Generation

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Copilot doesn't use the full context length. Write scripts to dump relevant code into claude with it's 200K or the new Gemini with even more. It does much better with as much relevant stuff as you can get into context.

But I don't want to write additional scripts or do whatever additional work to make the 'wonder tool' work. I don't mind an occassional rewording of the prompt. But it is supposed to work more or less out of the box, at least this is how all of the LLMs are being advertised, all the time (even the lead article for this discussion).

LLMs are also primarily promoted through the web chat interface, not always magic wonder tools. With any project that will fit in claude/gemini's large context you use those interfaces and dump everything in with something like this:

    (tree Source/; echo; for file in $(find  Source/ -type f ) ; do echo ======== $file: ;  cat $file; done ) > /mnt/c/Users/you/Desktop/claude_out.txt  #claudesource
Then drag that into the chat.

You can also do stuff like pass in just the headers and a few relevant files

    (tree Source/; echo; for file in $(find  Source/ -type f -name '\*.h' ; echo Source/path/to/{file1,file2,file3}.cpp ) ; do echo ======== $file: ;  cat $file; done ) > /mnt/c/Users/you/Desktop/claude_out.txt  #claudeheaderselective
You can then just hit ctrl+r and type claude to refind it in shell history. Maybe that's too close to "writing scripts" for you but if you are searching a large codebase effectively without AI you are constantly writing stuff like that and now it reads it for you.

Put the command itself into claude too and tell claude itself to write a similar one for all the implementation files it finds it needs while looking those relevant files and headers.

If you want a wonder tool that will navigate and handle the context window and get in the right files into context for huge projects, try claude code or other agents, but they are still undergoing rapid improvements. Cursor has started adding some in too but as subscription calling into an expensive API they cost cut a lot on trying to minimize context.

They also let you now just point it at a github project and pull in what it needs, or tools build around the api model context protocol etc. to let it browse and pull it in.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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That scene is changing so quickly that you will want to try again right now if you can. While LLM code generation is very much still a mixed bag, it has been a significant accelerator in my own productivity, and for the most part all I am using is o1 (via the openAI website), deepseek, and jetbrains' AI service (Copilot clone). I'm eager to play with some of the other tooling available to VS Code users (such as cline…

I mean I literally "tried it again" this morning, as a paying Copilot customer of 12 months, to the result I already described. And I do not want to "try it" - based on fluffy promises we've been hearing, it should "just work". Are you old enough to remember that phrase? It was a motto introduced by an engineering legend whose devices you're likely using every day. The reason why "everyone", including myself with 20+…

> is that it produces an intrinsic sense of satisfaction, which in turn creates motivation to do more and eventually even produces wider gain for the society.

Which society? Because lately it looks like the tech leaders are on a rampage to destroy the society I live in.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Did you use all of your 1-year-junior-dev experience to come to this comment? Or did you ask gemini to sum it up for you?

I am leaning toward agreeing with your statements, but this is not good etiquette for HN.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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it’s rolling out to users on all tiers, so no need to wait. I tried it and saw outputs from many others. it’s good. very good

Chat GPT requires logging in with an email. I hesitated on that. That's why I prefer to wait.

You can create e-mail addresses for single use, even temporary ones.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Not wrong though

It kind of is, the iPhone 16e isn’t the best even though it’s the latest, right? Or are we rating best by price/performance, not pure performance (I don’t even know if the 16e would be best there)?

Did Apple claim it’s the best phone yet? They’d probably only reserve that for the Pro.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Is anyone else getting wild rejections on content policy since this morning? I spent about 20 minutes trying to get it to turn my zoo photos into cartoons and could not get a single animal picture past the content moderation....

Even when I told it to transform it into a text description, then draw that text description, my earlier attempt at a cat picture meant that the description was too close to a banned image...

I can't help but feel like openAI and grok are on unhelpful polar opposites when it comes to moderation.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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It kind of is, the iPhone 16e isn’t the best even though it’s the latest, right? Or are we rating best by price/performance, not pure performance (I don’t even know if the 16e would be best there)?

Did Apple claim it’s the best phone yet? They’d probably only reserve that for the Pro.

No, but the user I (indirectly) replied to did:

> Every iPhone is their best iPhone yet

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Just read the release post, or any other official documentation. https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/ Plenty was written about this at the time.

I read the post, and I can't see anything in the post which says that the model is not multi-modal, nor can I see anything in the post that suggests that the images are being processed in-context.

I think you're confusing "modal" with "model".

And to answer your question, it's very clearly in the linked article. Not sure how you could have read it and missed:

> With GPT‑4o, we trained a single new model end-to-end across text, vision, and audio, meaning that all inputs and outputs are processed by the same neural network. Because GPT‑4o is our first model combining all of these modalities, we are still just scratching the surface of exploring what the model can do and its limitations.

The 4o model itself is multi-modal, it no longer needs to call out to separate services, like the parent is saying.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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They've been saying that kind of shit about everything AI related since fuzzy logic was the next big thing. It will never happen. AI will be used to cut staff and increase the workload of those remaining. The joke is on you for being susceptible to their hype. I use a couple of different tools because they're each good at something that is useful to me. If Jetbrains AI service had a continue.dev/cline like interface…

Well thanks for confirming, you're getting "something" out of each, i.e. minimising mean error, because none of them is the ultimate tool. Copilot price is actually $19 per seat and running my own company, I pay a bit more than $19 bucks, you know for my employees, people like yourself. Why I am fixated on a single tool? Because each of those "tools" are wrappers around one of the major LLMs. I am surprised you don't…

There is lots of value to be added in wrapping those tools. I am very well aware of what these things are. LLMs are not a fire-and-forget weapon, even though so many of you business types really really really want it to be. I mean jesus you sound almost as delusional as my bosses.

Re: 4o Image Generation

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Did you use all of your 1-year-junior-dev experience to come to this comment? Or did you ask gemini to sum it up for you?

And did you use your 25 years of Java experience making $80k fixing waterfalls? lol
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