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Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

wafflemaker wrote: post #47

Lol, you're asking for it by using apple. I'm still recommending Apple to family members (less support needed from me, and I can always say I have Android and can't use apple so I can't help). But you have to go all in. If you want non apple stuff, just use something else. And if you can use Linux etc., why are you using Apple? Other then being lazy, which is totally ok.

Don't recommend Apple if you know better. Not everybody does know better.

You can just say that you don't have enough time or spoons to do free tech support.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by sneak »

kulahan wrote: post #598
bigyabai wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can thank Apple for the Lightning connector and App Store too, for all the good it does everyone in the EU. If a company uses their power to prevent competition with their own products or services, the market's jurisdiction reserves the right to restore competition to their market and prevent the harms inherent to monopoly abuse.

Walled gardens are not inherently bad. I DO thank Apple for the App Store. It’s half the reason I have an iPhone. I WANT to be able to download any stupid thing in there without a care in the world re: viruses or other damaging experiences. This is not to say every aspect of their walled garden is good, but I’m more than happy to accept those problems in light of the benefits I personally value. This is all to say: i…

> I WANT to be able to download any stupid thing in there without a care in the world re: viruses or other damaging experiences.

The Apple ios app store is positively chock full of spyware. You can’t download apps without a care in the world. This is why Apple put a privacy label on the apps (which is still woefully inadequate; it is self-reported).

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

bhelkey wrote: post #220
rahkiin wrote: post #122

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Which they never advertised it to be. Nor is my toaster and my oven or my xbox

~70% of the 8 billion people in this world use a smartphone [1]. It is the primary computer for a huge percentage of these people [2]. Comparing mobile phones to toasters, ovens and gaming consoles is disingenuous. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/203734/global-smartphone... [2] https://gs.statcounter.com/platform-market-share/desktop-mob...

(Though only in a small percentage of the world are those smartphones primarily iOS devices....)

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by nixpulvis »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #268

I think people forget that Apple is not making devices for the Hackernews community. They are making devices for people that just want something that works pretty well and has reasonable security - even to the extent of protecting them from themselves. They have other things to do with their time than learn about security vulnerabilities and how to avoid them. They want to just click 'yes' on every popup and expect t…

Sub $200 smart-watches would be great for a lot of people.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by rambambram »

There's something about the title that irks me the wrong way.

X restricts Y from being awesome.

Apple also restricts me from being awesome because they didn't give me a million dollar.

I get what the message is and I think I agree with Pebble on the iPhone being more closed off, but putting the blame on some outside thing for yourself not being awesome just feels immature.

It's just as easy to turn it around: by developing the iPhone in the first place and getting it in the hands of a lot of people, Apple makes it possible for Pebble to be at least close to awesome.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by IceHegel »

Feels like we’re getting all the downsides of Jobs’ Apple without the upsides.

They aren’t innovating inside the walled garden anymore.

Privacy is a real issue and Tim Cook deserves credit for his stance, but if apple gave devs good apis security and privacy could actually be enhanced throughout the ecosystem.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by burnte »

lynx97 wrote: post #430
chamanbuga wrote: post #191

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This is cap. I worked on heads up glasses, and one of our issues was the lack of integration with Apple's iMessage ecosystem. Device makers are willing to go through several security measures, like deploying the MFi chips and certification. However, at best this gives you access to the notification system, not iMessage itself. You are able to respond to messages via the notification framework, but not integrate direc…

As a user, I am totally fine with Apple restricting access to iMessage. In fact, now that I read this, I want them to do this, thanks Apple.

As another user, I don't want you making that decision for me.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by kulahan »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #592
crazygringo wrote: post #538

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> and you have a perfect formula for monopolizing a market without continuously improving the tech. ...but the Apple ecosystem has the best tech. M chips, AirPods Pro, Apple Watch, iPad, Pencil, I mean the tech is great . Apple isn't monopolizing anything. They're competing like hell and winning because their tech is best. The real question is why the Android and Microsoft ecosystems don't do better at improving thei…

Microsoft couldn't compete themselves out of a wet paper bag (it may be a slightly different script, but they're anti-competitivists just like Apple). Apple technology is "great" as long as you you're rich enough to afford it, and buy into the whole ecosystem. And, most crucially: contort yourself yourself enough. (="If it's not working for you, you're not holding it right.")

> Apple technology is "great" as long as you you're rich enough to afford it

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make with this sentence. It comes across as missing the fact that high quality goods… cost more than low quality ones?

Not to mention they have plenty of affordable tech. Their phones have always been roughly the same cost when adjusted for inflation - something pretty commendable. The iPods back in the day came in a huge range of affordable shapes and sizes for the quality.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by burnte »

rambambram wrote: post #605

There's something about the title that irks me the wrong way. X restricts Y from being awesome. Apple also restricts me from being awesome because they didn't give me a million dollar. I get what the message is and I think I agree with Pebble on the iPhone being more closed off, but putting the blame on some outside thing for yourself not being awesome just feels immature. It's just as easy to turn it around: by deve…

> Apple also restricts me from being awesome because they didn't give me a million dollar.

This is a disingenuous argument. The two are nothing alike. One is about how they artificially limit their platform for their own dominance, and the other is literally just giving away money. One hurts consumers and competitors, the other is a nonsense expectation that no reasonable person has.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by inopinatus »

idiotsecant wrote: post #419
pb7 wrote: post #399

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Why can't people choose which prescription drugs they want to use?

They should be able to.

They should not, because the adverse consequences are not limited to the individual.
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