Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

wsj.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

601–610 of 1001 posts

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

#601

Post by relistan »

prewett wrote: post #578

While I find the Russian invasion of Ukraine appalling, as a counterpoint to all the "Trump is destroying the US' reputation" mono-point that I've read so far (although I agree with that, too): John Maersheimer [1] gave a great explanation and prediction (~10 years prior) of why the whole thing happened. The US saw Russian weakness, decided to expand NATO to Ukraine, and the Russians said "no way will we let NATO be…

No. Countries with their own free choice asked to be part of NATO. The US did not push this on them. NATO expansion happened exactly because none of those countries trusted their neighbor Russia, who had previously invaded them and kept them under its thumb for 50 years. Russia is both to blame for the expansion of NATO and Russia's subsequent invasions of Georgia and Ukraine.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

#602

Post by egberts1 »

myvoiceismypass wrote: post #414
egberts1 wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

> But curious, is Zelensky using the pretense of war to stay in power? See this from just a week ago: "Zelenskyy offers to resign in exchange for peace, NATO entry" https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-offer-re...

It is a challenge to conduct an election during war.

Never forget:

1) Zelensky sat quietly while Democrats tried to impeach Trump the first time. Zelensky alone could have put an end to that sham impeachment.

2) Zelensky actively campaign against Donald Trump for the Democrats.

3) One of Zelinsky’s radicalized zealots tried to kill Donald Trump.

Then Zelensky reneges on the mineral deal because it doesn’t continue the money laundering proxy war the Democrats and RINO war whores started.

At some point, people might wake up and realize Zelensky is not a good guy.

Maybe.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

#603

Post by david-gpu »

ceejayoz wrote: post #505
nanotuber wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree with the implication here and expect the opposite. Ukraine peace (even an imperfect one) allows the US and Russia to work together to prevent Iran from getting a nuke. Ukraine won't get nukes in either scenario. An ongoing war forces Russia to rely on Iran, limiting its ability to work with US (and China), on isolating its nuclear program. DPRK nukes already exist and ROK is pressuring the US for permission…

> I don't know of any other latent nuclear states. Japan is sometimes described as a "screwdriver turn away from a bomb". They've got the materials, the know-how, the civilian nuclear program, and the rockets... and the geopolitics to be interested.

Arguably, most developed nations are in the same boat in terms of being able to build a bomb in relatively short notice. The main challenge is probably that refining uranium is intrinsically a slow process.

I do wonder how many supposedly non-nuclear developed countries have secret small-scale refinement plants and the ability to assemble nuclear warheads in short notice. It is the sort of stuff that they wouldn't want their own populous to know, as it is controversial.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

#604

Post by mitthrowaway2 »

nanotuber wrote: post #562
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DPRK redoubled its nuclear program and shut down disarmament talks when Kim saw Saddam Hussein get regime-changed after he willingly cooperated with UN inspectors to show that there were no WMDs. They realized that cooperating doesn't get you anywhere and the only insurance is through nukes. Now Ukraine, which gave up its warheads, is seeing the same thing. And even Canadians are starting to discuss a nuclear guarant…

The implication is that nuclear proliferation is linked to the US pausing Ukraine aid. That's a gross mischaracterization. I'll bet you 10 to 1 that Ukraine won't end up with nukes.

Ukraine might not, at this point, because it may be too late for them under whatever heavy-handed peace deal gets imposed. It's all the other would-be Ukraines who are going to make nukes.

Finland, Poland, South Korea, Taiwan...

Better safe than sorry.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

#605

Post by kelnos »

Suppafly wrote: post #549
HPMOR wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this is __so___ off topic, but the $ goes in front of the value for USD. It should be $500. Again, again, I know read the room, there's a tragic war going on, and the US is becoming complicit in the tragedy. But if we don't have time to be pedantic about monetary symbols then what good is the freedom we still possess.

People are downvoting this, but I'm always suspicious of comments online that imply they are from the US but mess up simple details that no native US user would mess up.

I dunno, a friend of mine does this, and she's a naive born American (and so are her parents). English is her only language. She knows it's "wrong", but just likes it better.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

#607

Post by yubblegum »

DidYaWipe wrote: post #88

The USA stands in miserable disgrace.

The PTB in US have decided to divy up the world into zones. This was likely already set in motion when the Brexit thing started in UK. "We want Canada, American Gulf, Panama Canal" is Monroe Doctrine 2.0 on steroids. UK is likely going to be in the 'Oceania' camp (as will be the rest of the Common Wealth) and we can all look forward to a 1984 future living under authoritarian regimes using "AI" and pervasive surveillance. The rest is smoke for plebes.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

#608

Post by lovich »

nanotuber wrote: post #562
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DPRK redoubled its nuclear program and shut down disarmament talks when Kim saw Saddam Hussein get regime-changed after he willingly cooperated with UN inspectors to show that there were no WMDs. They realized that cooperating doesn't get you anywhere and the only insurance is through nukes. Now Ukraine, which gave up its warheads, is seeing the same thing. And even Canadians are starting to discuss a nuclear guarant…

The implication is that nuclear proliferation is linked to the US pausing Ukraine aid. That's a gross mischaracterization. I'll bet you 10 to 1 that Ukraine won't end up with nukes.

How did you move the goalposts in three sentences?

Nuclear proliferation occurring does not require Ukraine in particular to be a country with nukes

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

#609

Post by lovich »

ceejayoz wrote: post #505
nanotuber wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree with the implication here and expect the opposite. Ukraine peace (even an imperfect one) allows the US and Russia to work together to prevent Iran from getting a nuke. Ukraine won't get nukes in either scenario. An ongoing war forces Russia to rely on Iran, limiting its ability to work with US (and China), on isolating its nuclear program. DPRK nukes already exist and ROK is pressuring the US for permission…

> I don't know of any other latent nuclear states. Japan is sometimes described as a "screwdriver turn away from a bomb". They've got the materials, the know-how, the civilian nuclear program, and the rockets... and the geopolitics to be interested.

Biden also negotiated a deal which put refined nuclear material in Australia's hands

http://npr.org/2023/03/13/1163153801/biden-is-selling-u-s-nu...

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

#610

Post by helge9210 »

edmundsauto wrote: post #576
nanotuber wrote: post #571

Comments are disappointing for hacker news standard. This pause was predictable (I predicted it in Nov 2024). It's negotiation leverage to steer toward an immediate resolution of the war. An immediate resolution of the war cuts losses: Ukraine loses territory, but keeps its sovereignty. The challenge is that there aren't many other viable paths. An indefinite forever war, with high risk of a Ukraine state collapse, i…

What are the deeper reasons for the war? All I hear from talking heads is this is aggression from Russia to grab resources and potentially continue to expand their territories through conquest.

Statehood of Russia (only since 1721; originally Principality of Moscow established in 1263) is coming from Mongols.

With Kyiv under control, they can claim history and culture of Rus (also known as Kyivan Rus').

This is the fundamental ideological reason for the war going on since 1657.

Post reply on HN