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Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by mattl »

jcgrillo wrote: post #365
dandellion wrote: post #342

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I know the feeling. I'm forced to use a Mac laptop for work, and it's really made me appreciate Linux.

I agree, but my M1 MacBook work laptop is by far the fastest dev machine I've ever laid hands on. It struggles a bit from the UX standpoint, two things: 1. I have the same desktop layout every time, from left to right: slack desktop app, a two column wide emacs window, a 90col wide terminal. I also have two chrome windows--1 which is the same width as the slack window and overlays it, and another the same width as th…

Try Prompt from Panic for your terminal emulator

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Post by joshuaturner »

amluto wrote: post #322
hbn wrote: post #65

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Apple Music on Mac definitely needs a ground-up rewrite, though I worry it'll lose uncommonly used features, like the ability to upload and stream your own music. I think a lot of Apple Music weirdness is from the fact that it's been built up over the years upon iTunes, which was essentially a completely different product that offered different thing. No one is really buying digital music any more, but they still nee…

The upload-and-stream-your-own-music feature, as handled by the Mac desktop Apple Music app, seems to be 90% bug and 10% working. I can’t imagine a rewrite being worse than the status quo.

Funnily enough that's the one feature that works pretty well for me and is keeping me on Apple Music as opposed to Spotify.

Considering the state of every recently made/"remade" first party Apple app I cannot imagine how horrible the Music app would be after they got done with it.

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Post by Nevermark »

scarface_74 wrote: post #293
linguae wrote: post #51

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I concur. To add, I wonder how much of the “old guard” is still at Apple? Apple used to be perfectionistic when it came to software, even during the 1985-1996 interregnum when Steve Jobs was absent. Besides Steve Jobs, Apple also had people like Bruce Tognazzini and Don Norman who cared deeply about usability. When Apple purchased NeXT and built Mac OS X, Apple’s usability focus was married to reliable, stable infras…

I think you have rose colored glasses on. System 7-8 at least were crash proned disasters and the 68K emulator was so bad on the first gen PPC computers you basically had to use SpeedDoubler - a much better third party emulator. Half the OS was still running under emulatiom

> I think you have rose colored glasses on. System 7-8 at least were crash proned disasters

I think that is what was said:

> (Though I’m partial to the classic Mac OS from a UI point of view, Mac OS X had a better UX due to its stability.)

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Post by mrkpdl »

Just a note to say that I have the exact same issue as the author in Freeform on my 13 inch iPad Air. It heats up to the point that the screen dims, and then dims again and the iPad is uncomfortable to hold. It doesn’t take long for this to happen either.

In contrast, the iPad does not overheat when painting for extended periods in procreate.

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Post by m463 »

schmidtleonard wrote: post #176
BobAliceInATree wrote: post #82

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On the most recent episode of ATP podcast, an anonymous person wrote in to say that when they worked at Apple until ~2013, there was effectively no QA team on macOS. Granted that was over a decade ago, and "no QA team" doesn't mean no testing, but given the numerous bugs in macOS today, and that they almost never get fixed, I'm not surprised. (FWIW, I do not experience this bug you mentioned)

If you look at the macOS feature history, it's pretty clear that the bulk of the team got shifted to iPhone in 2007 and never really recovered. The widely acknowledged Snow Leopard high water mark happened shortly after. To be fair, Apple can still pull off the occasional amazing feat of vertical integration -- HDR, APFS, keeping audio latency under control despite the relentless assault of apathy from all directions…

I thought APFS had all kinds of problems in the beginning.

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Post by runevault »

rqtwteye wrote: post #258
progmetaldev wrote: post #245

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To be fair, Windows really had the same type of issues going from the old Control Panel to Settings. I still get large delays for some of the screens in Windows Settings.

I think it's pretty crazy how slow a lot of the newer things in Windows 11 are. Explorer is super slow, Settings are slow. Sometimes I think even if I wanted to make things that slow (without using sleep statements), I wouldn't know how do it.

Windows 11 is insane to me now. Latest update pressing the button to bring up the power options (power off sleep etc) takes like 1-1.5 seconds from button press for the menu options to come up.

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Post by matwood »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #200
flohofwoe wrote: post #68

Here's my personal canary in the coal mine that something must be fundamentally broken in Apple's software development process: - on a recent macOS version, right click on the desktop, select 'change wallpaper' => the new settings panel opens - click on 'Custom Color' - now hold and drag around the 'color cursor' in the color selection circle for a few seconds - stop dragging and notice how the color cursor continues…

I, and many others in our personal capacity, have been shouting from hn-rooftops how Apple’s software capacity has been in a state of, since a decade or so (or more really) that calling it bad would be an understatement. It’s downright pathetic. It’s disgustingly incompetent. And I haven’t not even started on its services like iCloud. Because those go beyond pathetic. I mean for god’s sake these morons (yes, “morons”…

> And I haven’t not even started on its services like iCloud.

I feel like a lot of the Apple issues come from the fact they keep building on top of iCloud. It’s only very recently that people started trusting the sync.

It’s like MS, where anything built on top of sharepoint is going to be garbage.

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Post by card_zero »

progmetaldev wrote: post #245
madeofpalk wrote: post #105

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The entire settings app rewrite is the canary of how Apple's software development process is broken, especially for the mac.

To be fair, Windows really had the same type of issues going from the old Control Panel to Settings. I still get large delays for some of the screens in Windows Settings.

Tsk, copying ideas from Apple.
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