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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#601

It was as if they invited him to the Whitehouse to set him up for a lecture and scolding. They had no intention of anything other than humiliating him in front of the world. It's shameful what our administration has done.

I couldn't even watch the whole video. Horrendous. Depressing. How can you tolerate having those men running your country America. Nightmare fuel.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#602

I would like to know what the alternatives are. None that I can think of are palatable: 1. Support Ukraine enough so that Russia doesn't take too much more territory, but not enough for Russia to feel threatened and escalate the war. This was the Biden plan and it sounds like what Europe wants. I just don't see how this ends the war. Is this just buying time for someone to depose Putin? 2. Support Ukraine enough so i…

You forgot option 1.5: Provide Ukraine with the long range missiles they've been asking for, the ones that they can use to strike Moscow directly.

This could escalate the war, but Russia does not appear to be in a position to escalate right now.

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#603
I have invested considerable personal resources into fighting for democracy in my country and ended up having to flee leaving behind a rather comfortable life. The United States has always been an inspiration despite its well-known flaws.

Watching this situation unfold is very disturbing. And especially disheartening is the behavior of Republican representatives. A mere month ago these same people were Ukraine's best friends and world's dictators' most hawkish enemies and suddenly they are all parroting a completely opposite narrative. I mean, I can understand electing a pathalogical liar. Happened in my country as well. But turns out others were lying too? Suddenly turns out there's no commitment to values, but only a commitment to one man? If this can happen so easily in a 250 years old democracy, is democracy even worth fighting for? Is the Ukrainians' sacrifice worth it?

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#604
European nations, in contrast to the Americas, have been fighting bloody wars between them constantly forever.

After WW2 the EU was formed with the goal of stopping the bloodshed. Germans and French became friends!

Europe outsourced their defense to the USA, and instead they started paying NATO and buying defense equipment from US companies.

Yet they stood by the USA in all their fair or unfair endeavors in the Middle East.

The first time that the EU called for actual help, the US seems aligned with Russia.

Things don’t look good.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#605

Maybe dumb question, but I asked ChatGPT search and didn't get a straight answer, so: Why is Russia at war with Ukraine? ChatGPT tells me it's because of "western alignment". Trump told reporters 1m people died. Seems a bit excessive to me for political ideas.. I'd have an easier time believing it's a resource conflict or some oil field being liberated or wtv.

Broadly speaking, it’s because Putin is pissed that the Soviet Union fell (he lived through it as a KGB member in East Berlin), and Russia culturally originated around Kiev (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27), so he sees it as part of what should be the Russian empire. There are some important industries and resources in Ukraine, plus better access to the Black Sea. Ukraine’s orientation towards the EU and NATO is seen as an ideological and military threat. But the perceived humiliation of the fall of the Soviet Union, not being respected in the Western world, and trying to undo that and restore Russia’s glory, seems to be what is driving Putin the most.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#606

Can we get downvoted comments look regularly and not faded completely out? Silencing people cause their opinion is not popular seems very redditish

Agree. This graying out thing is a terrible design for contentious topics, and isn’t conducive to curious conversations.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#607

Honestly, after watching the full press conference twice, I suspect this meeting will go down in history as a canonical example of "what not to do as a politician". It seems Zelensky was unaware he's dealing with Trump, his demeanor, and his presidency. Historical this or that is not applicable when dealing with someone like him. Trump will be Trump, and nobody should expect otherwise. Always best to understand and k…

> The entire over answering, and combative escalation was an emotional release from Zelensky and did not aid his aims, and ultimately hurt him.

I think the reverse. It's hard to predict what Trump will do next, but the straight forward reading is his plan was always to stop supporting Ukraine. The cherry on top would have been to bully the into giving the USA minerals rights without giving much in return - certainly not security guarantees.

Which means there is nothing Zelensky could get out of the USA from that meeting. But, he still has most of the rest of the world on his side, and he could use the meeting to get them to step up to the plate.

I think he did a very good job of exploiting the dynamics of the meeting to do just that. He ensured there was absolutely no doubt what the USA's position is going forward, so there are only two outcomes: Europe either let's Russia forcibly take over another country, or they wholeheartedly commit to Ukraine defence.

Making it undeniably obvious they are between a rock and a hard place is a great way to force action.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#608

Ukraine is in a bind, and the US has the power to do whatever it wants. But boy, will the nations of the world remember this -- how quickly the US can turn from ally to bully. A really bad day for US foreign policy. The EU is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of NATO now.

> The EU is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of NATO now.

Thinking long and hard apparently is all the EU is capable of.

Trump's first term should have been more than enough to make the EU come to their senses. Now, we have tethered caps and the AI Act, but the EU still has no coherent vision or just even the slightest idea of how to move the continent forward instead of keeping it in the past.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#609

If European leaders don't watch this and realise they need to take control of their own destiny they're idiots. Several European leaders visited this week bending the knee to try and stave off tariffs. Time to stand up, realise the US is no longer a reliable ally, and start building (on all fronts - military, manufacturing, tech, etc). Given the American people voted for this guy twice - the second time in spite of J…

> If European leaders don't watch this and realise they need to take control of their own destiny they're idiots

They should take control. That's why it puzzled me why they are okay to get deindustrialized, are okay to destroy their nuclear plants, and are okay to rely on imports of natural gas from Russia

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

#610

Maybe dumb question, but I asked ChatGPT search and didn't get a straight answer, so: Why is Russia at war with Ukraine? ChatGPT tells me it's because of "western alignment". Trump told reporters 1m people died. Seems a bit excessive to me for political ideas.. I'd have an easier time believing it's a resource conflict or some oil field being liberated or wtv.

We're 3 years in and I have zero idea. Nothing comes to mind except for plain old expansion for the sake of expansion.
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