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"Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by boroboro4 »

tartoran wrote: post #570
UncleOxidant wrote: post #556

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> setting up the president as the sole power center is an inherently unstable system. Autocracies can be very stable... for a while depending on how much people are able to protest (or not). You could argue that N Korea has been "stable" (from the standpoint of the ruling family) for over 60 years. > There is a very good reason why the founding fathers built in an elaborate system of checks and balances. Sure that's…

> Autocracies can be very stable... Sure, if you kill all dissenters , keep population terrified and into the dark, remove all sources of information with propaganda then things could stay like that for a while.

I come from autocracy and it's way more similar to the US than one might think.

It all starts with distrust of institutions, (silent) support of majority and power consolidation under executive branch. It's very hard to get out of it, and propaganda and terror just one part of it, and I'm not even sure the first.

Just to be clear I lived in Russia.

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Post by enjo »

tartoran wrote: post #570
UncleOxidant wrote: post #556

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> setting up the president as the sole power center is an inherently unstable system. Autocracies can be very stable... for a while depending on how much people are able to protest (or not). You could argue that N Korea has been "stable" (from the standpoint of the ruling family) for over 60 years. > There is a very good reason why the founding fathers built in an elaborate system of checks and balances. Sure that's…

> Autocracies can be very stable... Sure, if you kill all dissenters , keep population terrified and into the dark, remove all sources of information with propaganda then things could stay like that for a while.

That isn't really what happened in Singapore.

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Post by lm28469 »

xyzal wrote: post #174
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #11

As Americans that believe in the Republic, what exactly are we supposed to do about this? Should we continue to implore congress to take action against this lawless behavior?

Where are the mass protests? Are there even any people in the streets?

There is no social cohesion or solidarity in the US, that's the biggest problem

In France if they'd raise the price of baguettes by 10% you'd have strikes from teachers, public transportation drivers, dock workers, train drivers, doctors, trash truck drivers, &c. all at once, after a week it would be complete chaos and the government would have no choice but to negotiate

In the US everyone is playing their little game on their side, decades of free for all capitalism at work

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Post by colechristensen »

NickC25 wrote: post #511
colechristensen wrote: post #380

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>paint a very concerning picture Donald Trump is trying to be dictator. He has been doing all but wearing a sign around his neck saying so for a long time. Please don't act surprised. It is not the time for quotes or being shocked at his actions.

He's literally said he wants to be a dictator. He's saluted Kim Jong-Un's generals. He's bent the knee to Vladimir Putain He's whined that it's not fair that he doesn't have the powers that Xi Jinping does. Growing up in the 90s and early 2000s, it was widely known that Donald Trump was a fraud and a complete clown. It will be studied for decades how many people just willingly gave up their ability to call a spade a…

It's pretty simple, working class mostly conservative white Americans have been feeling extremely disenfranchised and the right phrase is nearly "discriminated against" by the left and what were mainstream republicans. This bloc of people were used by entities foreign and domestic to wield power. Large disgruntled groups of people are really good for this. Donald Trump is the perfect symbol for this group and there are even some strange almost religious feelings towards him in a few.

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #472
apexalpha wrote: post #88

>A White House Liaison is to be installed in every independent regulatory agency to enforce direct presidential control Wow. Literally installing political officers in agencies.

> The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. Seems fine that the bureaucrats to whom executive power is delegated should be answerable to the executive.

Yeah this is a key tenant of the MAGA 2016 and 2024 campaigns: draining the swamp, fighting the deep state, etc.

How else is the executive supposed to align fed bureaucrats to his goals?

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Post by Ray20 »

peteforde wrote: post #458
phkahler wrote: post #364

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Putting aside every instinct I have to join the choir voicing every issue I have with blaming the victim and cozying up to the agitator, or to challenge your charitable view of Trump's motivations... I'm genuinely interested to hear your take on the likely and potential repercussions of rewarding Russia/Putin for their aggression. What makes you confident that they won't reasonably perceive this outcome as tacit perm…

>What makes you confident that they won't reasonably perceive this outcome as tacit permission to start coming for other territory?

Putin has approximately zero interest in territories and annexations. The entire war with Ukraine is exclusively a reaction to the Maidan in 2014, an attempt to prevent something similar in Russia.

Talks about "rewarding Russia" - is literally Putin's propaganda to hide his complete failure. There is no reward, the whole current situation in which Putin put himself, when his authority and influence is lower then ever - was planned as a short two week campaign with no downsides.

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Post by Vegenoid »

spacechild1 wrote: post #581
arunabha wrote: post #503

In general, people are going to interpret this EO with their own lens. Unsurprisingly, reasonable people may disagree on the merits of the EO as a whole. However this part of the EO is pretty concerning > 'The President and the Attorney General, subject to the President’s supervision and control, shall provide authoritative interpretations of law for the executive branch' and later > 'No employee of the executive bra…

> setting up the president as the sole power center is an inherently unstable system Only if there is a transition of power. If power stays in the same hands, the system can be very stable - and not in a good way.

> If power stays in the same hands, the system can be very stable - and not in a good way.

I don't think it actually can be that stable. I think I see what people are getting at when they say this, but it seems to me that authoritarian governments are generally quite unstable, because power never stays in the same hands. Power always changes hands, because we are mortal. Non-authoritarian systems are built to handle this, and ensure that it happens frequently enough that the wheels stay greased. Authoritarian systems are built around ensuring that the concentrated power stays only in the hands of certain people, and this is not possible.

To put it another way, non-authoritarian governments have less variance because they are taking some (very) rough average of all the people. Authoritarian governments are much more subject to the significant variance of individuals.

Of course we don't actually have that much historical data on non-authoritarian governments.

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Post by wilg »

neilv wrote: post #582

Who is actually behind all these executive orders? Do they all originate by the President saying "I want X" in reaction to something, and lawyers figuring out how to do X? Do some of them originate with a wishlist of some extremist think tank or powerful people, and they finally found a President who'll rubberstamp them? Other?

They put out a whole playbook called Project 2025, developed by a bunch of insane people at the Heritage Foundation. Trump lied and said he didn't know anything about it. Now they're doing it.

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Post by spacechild1 »

red_trumpet wrote: post #164
sharpshadow wrote: post #96

In Germany the legal executive branch is “Weisungsgebunden” which mean it follows the lead of the politicians instead of acting on own behalf. Because of this international warrants which come from Germany do not get followed since they can’t be trusted. It would be better to have independent judges but hey it doesn’t lead to a dictatorship and the end of the world directly as propagated everywhere.

> independent judges Judges are independent in Germany. Prosecutors are not. > Because of this international warrants which come from Germany do not get followed since they can’t be trusted. I think you mean the European Arrest Warrant[1], and you are right that it is not accepted when issued by German prosecuters, because they are not indepepndent[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Arrest_Warrant [2] http…

> Judges are independent in Germany. Prosecutors are not.

Exactly! It's the same in Austria btw. See https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_(Deutschland)#Dienstau... and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staatsanwaltschaft_(Deutschlan...

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Post by neom »

nailer wrote: post #389
neom wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It’s not your imagination, political articles that are normally flagged are being unflagged manually by dang. He discussed this recently.

Thanks! I wasn't trying to be cute, was genuinely curious.
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