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Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by gwbas1c »

throwaway199956 wrote: post #342

But why didn't Supreme Court find the first ammendment arguments compelling? As per first ammendment it is legal and protected to print/distribute/disseminate even enemy propaganda in the USA. Even at the height of cold war for example Soviet Publications were legal to publish, print and distribute in the USA. What changed now? Even a judge, Sotomayer said during this case that yes, the Government can say to someone…

To oversimplify:

You can say whatever you want on a telephone call.

BUT:

The telephone network is regulated. Your cell phone must comply with FCC regulations. You personally may have a restraining order that prohibits you from calling certain people.

IE, if a phone is found to violate FCC rules, pulling it from the market has little to do with the first amendment.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by squarefoot »

You don't destroy what can give you even more power by controlling it. Trump/Musk/Zuck plan is to control it, not destroy it: the army of teens willing to be inundated by propaganda just to keep using it is too appealing to ignore, and China will happily trade that control for something (less/no tariffs?).

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

#604

Post by DangitBobby »

gwbas1c wrote: post #601
throwaway199956 wrote: post #342

But why didn't Supreme Court find the first ammendment arguments compelling? As per first ammendment it is legal and protected to print/distribute/disseminate even enemy propaganda in the USA. Even at the height of cold war for example Soviet Publications were legal to publish, print and distribute in the USA. What changed now? Even a judge, Sotomayer said during this case that yes, the Government can say to someone…

To oversimplify: You can say whatever you want on a telephone call. BUT: The telephone network is regulated. Your cell phone must comply with FCC regulations. You personally may have a restraining order that prohibits you from calling certain people. IE, if a phone is found to violate FCC rules, pulling it from the market has little to do with the first amendment.

If these FCC rules were designed specifically with the intent to suppress speech of certain parties, they could be found in violation of your first amendment rights if challenged. IMO the ruling does not bother to examine whether the motivation of drafting the Act was to suppress speech.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by pantalaimon »

gwbas1c wrote: post #601
throwaway199956 wrote: post #342

But why didn't Supreme Court find the first ammendment arguments compelling? As per first ammendment it is legal and protected to print/distribute/disseminate even enemy propaganda in the USA. Even at the height of cold war for example Soviet Publications were legal to publish, print and distribute in the USA. What changed now? Even a judge, Sotomayer said during this case that yes, the Government can say to someone…

To oversimplify: You can say whatever you want on a telephone call. BUT: The telephone network is regulated. Your cell phone must comply with FCC regulations. You personally may have a restraining order that prohibits you from calling certain people. IE, if a phone is found to violate FCC rules, pulling it from the market has little to do with the first amendment.

The FCC doesn't make rules based on who owns the telephone though.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by fuzzfactor »

elzbardico wrote: post #181

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

If a US-based alternative appeared which not only substituted performatively, but also monetized creators and influencers enough to put everyone else to shame, people could not help but notice and migrate there in droves.

It would be pretty cool if there was a respectable capitalist with enough money, or if that won't do it then a bigger more-respectable political organization or something, and Tiktok would be nothing but a memory of how things used to be before they got better.

Think about it, a social force or financial pressure strong enough to reverse unfavorable trends, even after they have already gained momentum.

And all it takes is focusing that pressure in an unfamiliar direction that could probably best be described as "anti-enshittification".

I know, that's a tall ask, never mind . . .

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by rayiner »

medhir wrote: post #225

In a more functional democracy we would see that mass data collection of any sort, by any company (foreign or domestic), is a national security risk. Have witnessed first-hand the threats by foreign state actors penetrating US-based cloud infrastructure. And it’s not like any of our domestic corporations are practicing the type of security hygiene necessary to prevent those intrusions. So idk, the whole thing feels l…

> In a more functional democracy we would see that mass data collection of any sort, by any company (foreign or domestic), is a national security risk.

You obviously don't mean "democracy," but some other word. We don't see mass data collection as a problem because most Americans don't care about privacy. The only reason this Tik Tok thing is even registering is because of the treat of China, which Americans do care about.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by curiousllama »

Prbeek wrote: post #517

A globally used social media app without American narrative and propaganda. A huge loss for American soft power.

Maybe. Network effects are strong, though. I wonder how much losing access to the US market sets back TT's financial & competitive positions

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by curiousllama »

commandlinefan wrote: post #424

As a free speech absolutist, I hope that what comes out of this is a completely anonymized, uncensorable alternative. We've gotten the arbitrary censorship walled garden social media sites mostly because until now there hasn't been any particular reason for most users to step outside of them.

We have that. Welcome to the World Wide Web.

We all walked into the walled gardens and went "ooh, looks mighty nice in here!"

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by cyanydeez »

elzbardico wrote: post #181

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

Until trump lets it sink, tgis is mwaninvless.

Cash bribes are how laws are define now. Is america avaluable audiemce?

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