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TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by theultdev »

randomcatuser wrote: post #540
doctorpangloss wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US citizens do not want this Ha ha, I guess you are discovering, many many people do want this.

The users for sure don't want this. Among non-users, I'd say there's a sizable difference (let's say 50/50)... Many things aren't that democratic when you look at it like that!

US citizens elected representatives to make laws for them. Even more so, this is a bipartisan law.

Tiktok US users of voting age are already accounted for in that process, they don't get extra sway just because they use the app.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by corimaith »

t-writescode wrote: post #594
corimaith wrote: post #563

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The Senator you voted for this probably voted for this so yes, America does want this.

Those in leadership being against a meaningful percentage (about 30%) of those under their care is common.

Well let's not talk in abstract phrases, who did YOU vote for, and did you not find it probable that they would support such actions?

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Post by kansface »

ergonaught wrote: post #366

US citizens do not want this. Every news article descending into tangents on any other point than that is part of why we can't have nice things. The whole country has turned into some sort of lower primate improv troupe where whatever stupid thing comes up gets a "Yes and let's" diversion instead of an adult in the room standing up and cutting the crap.

I'm for the ban chiefly on the grounds of economic fairness in access to markets. China doesn't allow access to any US social media products. We should only open our doors to Chinese companies conditioned on reciprocation.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by vonneumannstan »

wildzzz wrote: post #180
maxglute wrote: post #125

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Well it's more... Xiaohongshu is for cosmo PRC cool kids (read: lean wealthy), and also a large ecommerce portal that targets that demographic. Not sure if the userbase is interested in... western and RoW "riff raff" shitting up the content for too long. I say this more as an insult to Xiaohongshu, I like TikTok (or Douyin) because I like seeing entrepenurs sell neon signs and industrial glycerine between my swipes.

"Hey Homie, it's Tony," I've never been so interested in advertisements for commercial equipment before that guy.

His accent is fascinating. It's like he learned English as a second language in Rural Georgia.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by kmmlng »

andybak wrote: post #14
milesward wrote: post #2

...Good?

I don't think TikTok shutting down is great for its users (of which I am one). There are genuine areas of concern but I have concerns about US based social platforms as well. It's hard to unpick these thoughts and it's harder to decide what a good outcome would look like.

I feel like as an individual user, I'd rather have my social media data siphoned off by a foreign government than my own. On a societal level, having everyone's data siphoned off by a foreign government and being subjected to political influence is undesirable.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by moduspol »

crimsoneer wrote: post #452
cvoss wrote: post #208

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The US gov's intention was not at all to shut down TikTok. It was to force ByteDance to sell it. The fact that ByteDance is opting for a shutdown instead is a huge PR stunt, and their unwillingness to sell under the circumstances kinda proves their whole First Amendment claims are made in bad faith. Something deeper is going on, and it's not about your social security number.

I mean, the Chinese government was never going to let the US just take their company at bargain basement prices.

It wouldn't have been at a bargain basement price if they started trying to sell it when the law passed. It could have been the highest market price they could get from the US's largest buyers.

Obviously they don't have the same leverage when they're otherwise going to be shut off in a few days.

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Post by protimewaster »

rwarfield wrote: post #107
spencerflem wrote: post #67

Given how easy it is for China to buy US data legally from data brokers and how similar the functionality of TikTok and YouTube Shorts, I feel like the only explanations are: 1. The govt is mad that a foreign company is outcompeting a domestic one Or more likely, given that there are so many other industries that didn't get a ban: 2. The govt is mad that they have control over the narrative on Facebook but do not on…

The big issue isn't data security; it's propaganda. Irrespective of whether the government has control of the narrative on Facebook (I would argue they pretty clearly don't) there is no reason to let a foreign adversary have a deniable propaganda line to millions of Americans. Would we have let the USSR acquire a major television network? And even if you disagree with the national security reasons for disallowing Chi…

But is there actually any evidence that the US's foreign adversaries can more effectively deliver propaganda on Tiktok compared to other platforms?

I understand the concern over foreign propaganda, but this feels like it's not going to remotely impact the ability for foreign governments to deliver propaganda to Americans. It's perfectly possible to deliver propaganda on US-based social networks.

The best outcome of this is just that Americans find the other social networks so boring that they spend less time on social networks altogether, thus reducing their propaganda intake (at least, from social networks).

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Post by Invictus0 »

Miner49er wrote: post #494
tevon wrote: post #476

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It makes no sense to me how this is an argument of free speech. I assume you are saying this is curtailing the creators speech? However the creators can move to any other platform, they are not being restricted in what they can say or produce. So perhaps the concern is about TikTok's free speech; which, thank god the constitution does not protect a foreign adversaries right to free speech.

Free speech includes the right to receive/hear speech. TikTok contains lots of speech that US citizens have the right to hear.

So just go hear it from somewhere else. There is no content on tiktok that can't be recorded and posted on instagram reels.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by kpennell »

pjc50 wrote: post #6

The migration app of choice appears to be .. xiaohongshu, or "little red book". I'm guessing this won't last since it wasn't intended to have lots of Westerners using it and neither government is going to be happy with that scale of unfiltered contact between ordinary Chinese citizens and US citizens. In the meantime, it's the place for Luigi Mangione memes.

It's pretty wild in there...I remember seeing the comment 'IN THE CLERB, WE ALL LEARN MANDARIN'...I went in there and started commenting about Tienenman...curious if I'll get banned. It's very wild to see so many CCP memes and Chinese military people making content. Very odd experience so far.
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