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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by ANewFormation »

jensensbutton wrote: post #398
ANewFormation wrote: post #389

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The ostracization is a strawman. A few good friends (or even just one) is, imo, going to provide far more fulfillment than a million digital friends. And when living in an appropriate place to raise children (playgrounds, etc near housing) it's super easy to meet other parents. And, in my experience at least, a rather large percent are also against 'digitizing' their kids. Making friends the old fashioned way, and no…

> And when living in an appropriate place to raise children (playgrounds, etc near housing) it's super easy to meet other parents. Ah, so this yet another aspect of health that one needs a certain amount of money to enjoy.

This sort of stuff is ubiquitous in cheap more ruralish areas. Negligible crime rates are also important, and once again something you'd be more inclined to find well outside the city.

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Post by uncharted9 »

caseyy wrote: post #381
uncharted9 wrote: post #283

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I keep coming back to the sites on my phone's browser. I have tried using various firewall applications to block network traffic. But it's hilariously easy to get around them.

You can actually disable the browser in a pretty serious way in iOS. First, ask your spouse/friend/colleague to set up parental controls on your phone and have them hold onto the code. Second, remove Safari through Content & Privacy Restrictions. Third, set up Downtime in whitelist mode to run all day. This way, Safari is disabled and an alternative browser cannot be installed from the App Store. If you want full con…

Parental controls on Android are a bit more complicated and require another Google account. I'll take the latter route. I'll just install something like Firefox Focus, which clears browsing data on exit. It will help for one-off searches or an app that launches the browser for some process. I'm not sure if disabling the Play Store is a good idea. It might cause problems with updates. Right?

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

arrowsmith wrote: post #271
phire wrote: post #98

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Seems clear enough to me: "challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days." I'm not sure how you can read "completely" as "only during school time"

Why does a group of Year 8 pupils (age 12-13) have smartphones in the first place? I don’t know what age I’m giving my son a smartphone but it’s sure as hell not as early as 12. “But my friends all have one”? Then I judge his friends’ parents.

There's a lot of pressure on my youngest, at Primary School in the UK, to have a phone.

Their friends have TVs and game consoles in their rooms too.

For our kids, they have to travel on their own when they get to highschool, so a smartphone makes sense.

Family controls are pretty good nowadays, fwiw.

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Post by 4ggr0 »

DirkH wrote: post #588
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i think about this a lot as someone who had unfiltered access to the internet since being a kid around 2010. on the one hand i learned to understand english as a young boy, on my own, without realizing. on the other hand i've seen videos of beheadings, terrorist acts, violent accidents, war crimes and many more, lovely things. that being said...still not sure if it's a net-negative. feels positive to me, just not wit…

I agree with you that it isn't necessarily net-negative. I cannot begin to tell you how much more respect and care I give to the road and cars after witnessing so many videos of how violently and suddenly car accidents can take a life. Many of the horrors of these videos are burnt into my mind and I am confident this is for the better. We live in the real world. It is important to see the real world as it is. There a…

> We live in the real world. It is important to see the real world as it is.

yeah, agree. i guess there's a balance you gotta reach between 'seeing the real world as it is when you're adult' and 'watching a terrorist behead a captive in 4k as a kid'.

i mean there is some kind of bias at play in our societies, as i remember watching documentaries at school as a 13-14 year old, clearly displaying mass-graves at nazi concentration camps. i appreciate having been educated about this topic in such a direct way, yet is is very gruesome and haunting as well.

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Post by threeseed »

graemep wrote: post #339
threeseed wrote: post #43

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I wouldn't group all Western countries together. The US has always been unique in having a very libertarian, freedom at all costs culture. For example in Australia we have recently banned children from using social networks and this was supported by about 80% of the population.

Is there no resistance to things like having to adult having to prove their age to social networks? How is that going to be done, BTW?

The same way it has been done for years when you sign up for a mobile plan etc.

You verify your age using either passport, driver's license, digital ID etc.

There are plenty of services that provide this.

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Post by ANewFormation »

sahmeepee wrote: post #403
ANewFormation wrote: post #389

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The ostracization is a strawman. A few good friends (or even just one) is, imo, going to provide far more fulfillment than a million digital friends. And when living in an appropriate place to raise children (playgrounds, etc near housing) it's super easy to meet other parents. And, in my experience at least, a rather large percent are also against 'digitizing' their kids. Making friends the old fashioned way, and no…

I don't think you have the appropriate context here. This isn't about "good" (in person?) friends vs digital friends known only online. This is about schoolkids who almost all have smartphones losing a channel of communication with their schoolmates and thus being excluded from much of what goes on in the social group outside of school. I have a child around this age and can absolutely see the issue, but I think it's…

By good I mean having a small number of good friends rather than superficial relationships with large numbers of people. That should be a false dichotomy of course, but in reality it seems to often hold.

In other words - I'll ensure my chlidren have a small group of kids to regularly play with, ideally in the same neighborhood. Who cares what the other kids are doing?

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

_yb2s wrote: post #96
toasterlovin wrote: post #60

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I have a longstanding hunch that the whole “teenagers need more sleep” thing is greatly exaggerated and it’s just that teens just stay up too late because they’re extreme stimulation seekers. Phones have made things worse, but we’ve had TVs, etc for a long time.

It’s well documented that need for sleep continuously declines with age. However what you are saying is likely also true, which combine to make kids really sleep deprived.

Until what age?

I've always seemed to need a lot of sleep. I'm a night-owl.

For about 1 month, a few years back, I suddenly started waking up early, like 6am (in Winter). Had a couple of hours before anyone else was up. It was great. I didn't plan it, it just happened. And as easily as it arrived, it departed. I've tried to forcibly repeat it, but I just wake and feel awful, am super sleepy and get nothing done.

Wish there were a switch.

I can go to bed at 8pm, get 12 hours of sleep and still feel awful in the morning.

I'm middle-aged, fwiw.

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Post by drawkward »

card_zero wrote: post #450
sicariusnoctis wrote: post #365

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They didn't say "reality must be wrong". They said that their initial hypothesis (that significant changes would be observed after 21 days) is probably wrong, so they implicitly proposed a second hypothesis (that significant changes occur after e.g. a few months). None of this is remotely contemptible. Pretend you're an immortal alien conducting a study with the hypothesis, "humans are mortal". You observe that your…

OK, fine, they didn't literally say "reality must be wrong", they just thought it, probably. The attitude stinks. And I say it is remotely contemptible. Perhaps I'd go as far as to say moderately contemptible. It's a fair point about the aliens. They are presumably mortal themselves, they have expectations about lifespan. Something about the mind not being a blank slate, it's hypotheses all the way down, can't escape…

If you think children have a right to smartphones in school, then your priors are just really out of line with anyone who is actually concerned with the well being of children.

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Post by drawkward »

card_zero wrote: post #201
it_citizen wrote: post #199

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Hypothesize then experiment

Uh-huh. You have a conjecture, you test it, and then you say "looks like reality didn't match our conjecture, the conjecture must be wrong." Except here they got a negative result and said "reality must be wrong". It's a determined effort to find specific results.

Just because you allege

>it's a determined effort to find specific results

does not make it so.

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