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Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Yeah I wonder if maybe the x86 license is the most valuable art of Intel at this point...

Unfortunately rights to the x86_64 license expire on the event of transfer of either company to a new owner.

License for what? The patents have expired.

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I worked for 3 months for Intel. I can genuinely say that there is no saving that company. Recently, they are hiring many PhDs from various US universities (particularly Indians) to try to compensate (they offer generous stocks and are hiring like crazy right now). There are two major problems I saw: lack of genuine interest in fabs (most people are there for the Intel name and then leave or in the case of Indians, t…

> Most of the talent I know is either at Apple or Facebook/Google

That's a damn shame. Big tech monopolies are screwing up the talent market. Nobody can match their comp and it's bullshit

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We are at the perfect moment to re-embrace software rasterizers because CPU manufacturers are starting to add HBM and v-cache. An 8K 32bpp framebuffer is ... omg 126MB for a single copy. I was going to argue that a software rasterizer running on vcache would be doable, but not for 8k. For 4k, with 32MB per display buffer, it could be possible but heavy compositing will require going out to main memory. 1440p would be…

Does 4k matter? I was doing a11y work for an application a few months back and got interested into the question of desktop screen sizes. I see all these ads for 4k and bigger monitors but they don't show up here https://gs.statcounter.com/screen-resolution-stats/desktop/w... And on the steam hardware survey I am seeing a little more than 5% with a big screen. Myself I am swimming in old monitors and TV to the point w…

Remember the days when you would be in danger of your apartment being burglarized and thieves would take your TV or receiver or CD player etc.? Nowadays that's called junk removal and you pay for it! How times have changed...

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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>> If 18a is not ready I think the best case scenario for Intel is a merger with AMD. Aside from the x86 monopoly that would create, I don't think Intel has much of value to AMD at this point other than the fabs (which aren't delivering). IMHO if Intel is failing, let them fail and others will buy the pieces in bankruptcy. This would probably benefit several other companies that could use 22nm and up fab capacity and…

Certainly feels like preempting news that Intel 18A is delayed. Restoring Intel's foundry lead starting with 18A was central to Pat's vision and he essentially staked his job on it. 18A is supposed to enter production next year but recent rumors is that it's broken.

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Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Certainly feels like preempting news that Intel 18A is delayed. Restoring Intel's foundry lead starting with 18A was central to Pat's vision and he essentially staked his job on it. 18A is supposed to enter production next year but recent rumors is that it's broken.

The original "5 Nodes in 4 Years" roadmap released in mid 2021 had 18A entering production 2H 2024. So it's already "delayed". The updated roadmap has it coming in Q3 2025 but I don't think anyone ever believed that. This after 20A was canceled, Intel 4 is only used for the Compute Tile in Meteor Lake, Intel 3 only ever made it into a couple of server chips, and Intel 7 was just renamed 10nm.

The first iteration of Intel 10nm was simply broken -- you had Ice Lake mobile CPUs in 2019 yes but desktop and server processors took another two years to be released. In 2012 Intel said they will ship 14nm in 2013 and 10nm in 2015. Not only they did fail to deliver 10nm Intel CPUs but they failed Nokia server division too, nearly killing it off in 2018, three years after their initial target. No one in the industry forgot that, it's hardly a surprise they have such trouble getting customers now.

And despite this total failure they spent many tens of on stock buybacks https://ycharts.com/companies/INTC/stock_buyback no less than ten billions in 2014 and in 2018-2021 over forty billions. That's an awful, awful lot of money to waste.

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If AMD can come back from the brink of bankruptcy, then Intel can too. I believe. [Edit]: Though it might have to be that Intel literally has to come to the brink of bankruptcy in order for that comeback to happen.

AMD had Lisa Su, who does intel have?

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Being a customer shouldn’t protect a company from lawsuits. ARM feels they have merit here , just like Qualcomm did when they sued Apple. It’s not that rare in the corporate setting to have suits between companies with otherwise amicable relationships.

The optics can still be terrible. Qualcomm (or more accurately, Nuvia, the company they acquired) produced some stunning chips with almost unheard of battery life for a laptop, and Arm are suing them to use their own inferior designs. They even tried to have end user laptops recalled and destroyed! There's no world where this looks good for Arm.

They are not suing them to use "inferior designs," you're completely misrepresenting the issue. They are suing them over IP and contract violations. The ISA in question is irrelevant here, you could also get sued by SiFive if you licensed their cores and then did something that SiFive believed violated that license. It's not that deep.

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Intel GFX held back the industry 10 years. If people thought Windows Vista sucked it was because Intel "supported" it by releasing integrated GPUs which could almost handle Windows Vista but not quite. The best they could do with the GFX business is a public execution. We've been hearing about terrible Intel GFX for 15 years and how they are just on the cusp of making one that is bad (not terrible). Most people who'v…

> If people thought Windows Vista sucked it was because Intel "supported" it by releasing integrated GPUs which could almost handle Windows Vista but not quite. What does an OS need a GPU for? My current laptop only has integrated Intel GPU. I'm not missing Nvidia, with its proprietary drivers, high power consumption, and corresponding extra heat and shorter battery life...

The GUI >99% of users used to interface with the OS required a GPU to composite the different 2d buffers with fancy effects. IIRC if you knew how do disable as much as possible of it the performance without GPU acceleration was not great, but acceptable. It really sucked when you had an already slow system and the GPU pretended to support the required APIs, but the implementation didn't satisfy the implied performance expectation e.g. pretending to support a feature in as "hardware accelerated", but implementing it mostly on the CPU inside the GPU driver, but even the things the old Intel GPUs really did in hardware were often a lot slower than a "real" GPU of the time. Also CPU and iGPU constantly fought over the often very limited memory bandwidth.

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Apple saw the writing on the wall and bailed years ago, built their own chips and denied them a large customer. It’s a really bad sign when a customer decides it can out innovate you by internally copying your entire business and production line.

They haven't made their own fabs. Not yet, anyway. And historically, wasn't this juts an extension of their fight with Samsung in the mobile space more than a rejection of Intel?

Re: fabs, Apple did by way of TSMC. Apple provided TSMC with massive amounts of cash in the 2010’s to fund new fabs. These were loans, but with very generous low interest terms that TSMC couldn’t have gotten elsewhere.

I think you’re correct that this was initially because Apple didn’t want to be at the behest of Samsung. But as Apple iterated on their mobile and tablet chips, they had the choice to bring them to their desktop and laptop lines or not to. They took that gamble and here we are today with non Intel Macs.

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> If people thought Windows Vista sucked it was because Intel "supported" it by releasing integrated GPUs which could almost handle Windows Vista but not quite. What does an OS need a GPU for? My current laptop only has integrated Intel GPU. I'm not missing Nvidia, with its proprietary drivers, high power consumption, and corresponding extra heat and shorter battery life...

If I recall correctly, Vista was hard depending on DirectX 9a for Aero. Intel GPU parts embedded in mobile CPUs were almost, but not fully DX 9a capable, but Intel convinced Microsoft to accept it as "compatible". That created lots of problems to everyone.

IIRC they also implemented some features by reporting them as available and mostly emulating them on the CPU to qualify.
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