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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by matt-p »

pelasaco wrote: post #556
stoperaticless wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you never know 100%. There is a small (really small) chance it was an accident. Just like there is a small chance that Al Capone was innocent man. (But really, it clearly has “Russia” written all over it)

just to be honest, the Pipelines explosion, had "Russia" written all over it, except after investigation, and a possible culprit, i.e not Russia, then nobody wanted to discuss about it anymore. I think the hysteria is too high, people are thirsty for War, looks like..

I think most reasonable people realise that was either the US or the UK.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by usrusr »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #409
xp84 wrote: post #329

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Don’t trust the Je… eh, Russians. I’m not sure whether you are serious with that xenophobic comment.

Some xenos appear to have few other goals in life than getting feared. It would almost appear impolite to not give them what they desire so much.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by nkrisc »

trhway wrote: post #572
nkrisc wrote: post #537

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This would be more concerning if Russia had any tanks left. Are you suggesting Russia has a full invasion force they’re not using in Ukraine? Or to liberate their own occupied territory?

Baltic states have 30K military total combined - Russia loses 20-30K/month in Ukraine. So, with all the respect to the Baltic states military - with them being responsible for the defense of about 700km long strip of land, it isn't about full invasion force, it is about having NATO not responding long enough.

And Russia can’t expel a Ukrainian force smaller than that from less area of their own territory.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by valval »

aguaviva wrote: post #522
valval wrote: post #486

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I know what I said, and I was careful with my words. We have this thing going on in the west where we are the good guys, and every war we start is an anti-terrorist operation. For Russia, the term just now was “special military operation”. It’s hilarious when you realise how the world works. Controlling words means controlling minds. We’ve grown quite good at it. We went to Korea and took any of our allies who wanted…

I know what I said, and I was careful with my words. Except your number is way off, and has no connection to reality.

Well, the number of wars and conflicts that the US, UK, France, Germany, or Italy (de facto NATO) have been part of unnecessarily since 1949 is above 12 (a dozen), but then again dozen isn't a rigorous quantifier, and I was careful not to use a precise number since I knew it was somewhere between 10 and 15 but couldn't be bothered counting for my message.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #18

I look forward to everybody completely missing the resolution to this mystery when it turns out it was something like a Danish sailing boat that got unlucky with their anchor...

A Danish sailing boat with 460 meters of anchor chain? Really?

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by usrusr »

Moru wrote: post #499
CrazyCatDog wrote: post #377

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“Knowing that 200 undersea cables break every year globally, estimate the probability that 3 cables break in the baltic sea on the same day.” I’m stealing this to use for grad-student mock-interviews—thank you!

Hint: The cables are often very close. If one breaks, the otherone also breaks :-)

What are the chances that they break in close proximity spacially, but not temporarily? (I'm assuming that it would be headline material if the lines had disconnected within minutes)

Tangent: an attacker trying hard to provoke that kind of accident would likely not have a very fast success feedback. "Let's try once more, for good measure"

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by rsynnott »

whythre wrote: post #19
toss1 wrote: post #5

Substantial Russian activity also near UK, raises concerns that Russia would cut off UK. [0] Russian ships ‘plotting sabotage in the North Sea’ [1] [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-undersea-... [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ships...

Do these nations not have navies? Can’t they tell the Russian non-combat ships (or pressure them) to get lost?

They do: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/16/russian-spy-sh...

However, another one will be along soon.

I'd assume, at the moment, that the primary goal is intimidation rather than anything else.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by [deleted] »

esarbe wrote: post #599
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #591

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Wait. Wasn't it Ukraine that blew up the pipeline? I'm all for them defending themselves. Are you saying it was actually Russia that did it? They blew up own pipeline?

There's no actual evidence that Ukraine did it, lest alone solid proof. Russia is a probable candidate.

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by Hilift »

euroderf wrote: post #73

So what's the solution ? Assign a surveillance UAV to every Russian ship parked "without a good reason" over a cable ? It would be expensive, but doable, and create a reserve of vehicles for wartime use.

The long term solution is to stop being naive about submarine cables. This is a well-known vulnerability, inevitable, and ignored. There are better alternatives now, and locally this may be temporarily re-routable. But there's no way to protect existing cables on par with something like the Hardened Intersite Cable System (HICS). I'm surprised it hasn't occurred more in the Persian Gulf area. And it could occur in western urban areas with relative ease. Most critical cabling intersect points in the US are unguarded, although may have cameras or other remote monitoring.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by eps »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #591
oneshtein wrote: post #585

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Delivery of Russian gas was stopped by Russia in violation of contract. European gas companies demands $20 billion in compensation. Nobody had incentive to blow up empty pipes except Russia. Of course, Russians used false flag as usual, to blame Ukraine, but Ukraine doesn't hide successful attacks on Russian infrastructure, because Ukraine has legal right to defend itself.

Wait. Wasn't it Ukraine that blew up the pipeline? I'm all for them defending themselves. Are you saying it was actually Russia that did it? They blew up own pipeline?

There's an outstanding German warrant for 3 Ukrainians in connection with the incident.

https://www.dw.com/en/nord-stream-explosions-germany-issues-...

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