Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by x0x0 » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 10:03 PM UTC

bcx wrote: post #595

doctorpangloss wrote: post #381

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> Even commuting within sf can be kind of a pain it took our folks 50 minutes from both areas in the mission and Menlo Park to get to an office in South Park. This is not to impunge on your credibility, but it takes me 16 minutes to get from my door in 21st and Valencia to the door at 313 Brandan next to South Park. This touches on some positive trends in San Francisco: of course, I e-bike, so I can get anywhere pret…

Employee in question took Muni + Walked. I biked and did a baby bullet from Menlo Park. My estimates could be off by ~10 or so minutes it was a while ago.

It's not unreasonable. Biking in SF is a death wish.

If you take bart to Montgomery, it's an 0.8 mile walk to South Park. Calling that a bit under 20 minutes seems fair.

So a 10 minute walk to bart, a 5 minute wait, 7 minutes on bart, 3 minutes to exit the station, and 20 minutes to South Park is your 45-ish minutes.

Source: I used to do this commute. Getting around internally in sf is absolutely terrible the second you're not super close to the transit line.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by ein0p » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 10:04 PM UTC

Might as well just skip all the intermediate steps and move the office to Austin. Twitter will fit right in.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by x0x0 » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 10:05 PM UTC

runarberg wrote: post #555

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> This is not to impunge on your credibility, but it takes me 16 minutes...of course, I e-bike The typical worker in SF doesn't bike to work. Only 3.4% of workers in SF biked in 2012 [1] and 4.2% in 2018 [2]. Furthermore, e-bikes represented 4% of the US bike market in 2022 [3]. There is value in considering how a company's location impacts the vast majority of its employees. [1] https://www.census.gov/newsroom/archi…

You don’t really need an e-bike to go from the Mission to SoMa as it is pretty flat. I don’t think it will take you much longer on a regular bike. But your statistic that you showed is a bit flawed as it includes people that commute from outside and into SF, hardly any of whom does so on bikes, so this methodology will always show bias against walking or rolling (I don’t know a better methodology, it is just somethin…

The problem with bikes is, in sf if a driver kills you, as long as they don't flee the scene, they'll be let off with a talking to or maybe a ticket. I don't know a single former coworker who regularly bikes who hasn't been at minimum doored.

45 minutes from mission and 24 to south park is about right if you use bart; see my timeline above.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by etchalon » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 10:05 PM UTC

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #560

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Cities tend to have a lower per-capita crime rate, it's just dense and visible. This is just suburban paranoia. Crime happens.

I think it's reasonable to measure crime in terms of crimes per area, rather than crimes per capita, especially when comparing suburban to urban.

I don't see how that's reasonable. What I'm interested in is how likely crime is to happen to me, personally, not how likely any given crime will happen in some radius to me.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by tomcam » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 10:05 PM UTC

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Cities' attractiveness feels u-shaped Young adults love it bc they have the time to go to bars/restaurants/clubs Middle aged folks hate it because they're so busy - they can't take advantage, and other people get in their way (some) Older folks like it again bc they have the time to go to restaurants/theater

Exactly this. I grew up on a farm, was a student in the city, started a family in the countryside and I want to retire in a city, as long as it’s close to my children.

Did you… did you, ah, raise spiders on the family farm?

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by sentientslug » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 10:06 PM UTC

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You need CalTrain to get to San Jose. BART should have gone all the way around the bay by now but CalTrain defends its turf like a honey badger.

They still haven't finished that leg? I was there 7 years ago and the plan was advertised on the maps.

You can get to San Jose on BART now but have to go all the way under and around the bay instead of directly south, so it’s not really worth it to go from SF to SJ using anything other than Caltrain.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by etchalon » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 10:08 PM UTC

WheatMillington wrote: post #508

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My first week working in a finance firm in midtown Manhattan there was a significant shooting. These things happen everywhere (edit: in the US) unfortunately. I'm not convinced that a more suburban location that forces people to drive would actually be any safer.

I have lived 39 years here in New Zealand and have never witnessed or been near a shooting. I'm not saying shootings have never happened in New Zealand, but the idea that these things "happen everywhere" is asinine.

It's just a very American-centric sentiment, because here in the states, that's true.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by jcfrei » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 10:11 PM UTC

thih9 wrote: post #600

Is the constant stream of flamebait (this action and other recent changes) helpful for twitter, or part of some larger strategy? To me the service seems increasingly unreliable and unprofessional. Then again, I no longer feel like I'm the target audience. The numbers seem bad too; revenue was 22% down in 2023[1]. Also, "global active daily users of X via mobile apps had steadily declined during the year after Musk ac…

To me it's still useful but I exclusively read it through lists. That way it's always chronological and only consists of tweets from selected accounts and retweets from other (usually interesting) people.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by weitendorf » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 10:14 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #564

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> If we don't consider the CEO's influence, I'm actually curious if the location of company headquarters has to do with the average age of the employees in the Bay Area. As the employees start to have families, they most likely move to the south bay for better or for worse, and I have a hard time imagine that they'd enjoy commuting via BART or Caltrain for more than an hour every day. IME this is definitely true and…

Google has offices in San Francisco but it also has offices in South San Francisco, San Bruno, Redwood City, Palo Alto, Mountain View, Sunnyvale, and San Jose. And probably some other cities I forgot. The "reason" Google has an office anywhere has to do more with "why not" rather than anything else.

That's not really how the SF presence developed historically but I admire your confidence

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by thatfrenchguy » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 10:14 PM UTC

curiousllama wrote: post #481

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Just in response to your second point, I do think that's specific to you and your circles. I know multiple retired or semi-retired people who have moved towards the center of a city. Without work to keep them occupied, they want the hustle and bustle, which means something to do. And driving has become more of a hassle and a barrier to the kinds of lives they want to live. These are east coast or midwest cities, so m…

Cities' attractiveness feels u-shaped Young adults love it bc they have the time to go to bars/restaurants/clubs Middle aged folks hate it because they're so busy - they can't take advantage, and other people get in their way (some) Older folks like it again bc they have the time to go to restaurants/theater

I don't know, the residential neighborhoods of SF are the perfect place to raise a family if you make tech money: dense enough that there is a ton of stuff to do and your kid knows other kid nearby, low density enough that you get 1500-2500sqft to yourself.