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The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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> the teens that appear least impacted by the mental health crisis tend to be religious, conservative, and live in less individualistic cultures

Weird how fast the other two factors from the linked essay got dropped only to focus on individualism, aint it? Doesnt matter tho doesnt seem neither cite sources, methodology and data

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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I'm surprised dating sites work well enough that 50% of customers meet via it. They've no incentive to help you leave.

I'm surprised dating sites work well enough that 50% of customers meet via it It’s not that surprising when you think of selection effects. Suppose you have a sack full of marbles. Half of the marbles are pink and the other half are random assorted colours. Now reach into the sack and pull out two marbles. If they match then they get married and you set them aside, otherwise return them to the sack. It’s easy to see…

This describes what I have intuited happens while dating in ones 40s.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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I find that community depends alot on culture. My experience of Western culture (the culture I grew up in, although not born into) is mostly Anglo-spherical, which in the beginning felt like this was Western culture, but travelling through Europe I realised that there's far more to Western culture than just Anglo practices/preferences. I have found the US to be far more diverse in its Western cultural roots compared to NZ and Australia. This might be due the fact that the US received significant immigration from non-Anglo Western cultures early on compared to Australia/NZ. Anyway my point is that what constitutes "community" and whether you fit into that community depends alot on whether you can fit into that culture, and whether that culture can accept you. If there's a match, then you end up finding community easily. If there's no match, then community can be difficult, and this I believe explains why there's so many ethnic enclaves in Sydney and I believe elsewhere too. So that's why unlike the "melting pot idea", Australia tends to be multi-cultural society. This is especially difficult for people who are neither there nor here, a sort of inbetween. It takes alot of grace and self-reflection to integrate opposing cultural norms and bridge communities...

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Also interesting insofar as what "met online" means. Dating apps are certainly the most common, but one of my partners and I met on a Discord server for a shared interest, which is certainly "online" but not necessarily in the same context as "dating apps"

This. I have a couple of friends who actually met their partner on World of Warcraft in the mid 2000s. But I suspect it's a very small fraction of the “online” group, especially nowadays with dating apps being so prevalent.

I'd expect that the fraction is much bigger, actually. In mid 2000s the couples that met through online games were the "weirdos", "normal" people met online on dating sites. Today gaming is pretty much mainstream and while dating apps are probably a majority, it's now absolutely normal to meet people while playing games.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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What frustrates me is that, it seems (Read as: the following is just my vibe) that the majority of 3rd places left are religious in nature, but I, personally, don't want to be religious or raise children that are. There are some options, of course, but they're limited and often of poor quality, at least locally. Libraries are trying to adapt to fill this gap, and maker spaces spring up but most don't have funding to…

The mad rush to as quickly abolish religious practices in mainstream U.S. culture without any form of societal replacement is puzzling to me. I am no fan of religion having grown up in an exceedingly religious environment. But it was always completely obvious to me even as a child that the primary purpose of religion was to form local communities and have others with shared values to rely on. We seem to be doing it w…

I see the way US cities are designed, with sprawling suburbs and lack of shared spaces as a key contributor. Where I'm at the parks are filled with people throughout the day. The density of the city also means people tend to know their neighbors and watch out for each other much more that I've seen in the burbs.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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I recently joined my local Elks club and the experience has been amazing. Being social is effortless. I just show up at the lodge and people I know will be there. As a parent I can let the kids run wild with other kids within the safe confines of the lodge and have adult conversations. If I don’t have plans, I don’t need to sit home reading the internet. I go to the lodge. It’s weird that groups like the Elks have de…

> It’s weird that groups like the Elks have declined so much in recent decades, because it feels they really are the solution to a problem everyone complains about. Social orgs can supplement a healthy community. They can't replace one, however. A healthy community is one where it is trivial for kids to go on their own to a safe space. A place where they can Kid together, free from interfering adults.

I keep hearing all these people talking about kidding together.

Kidding together means setting a cat on fire and laughing when it's screaming running around. It means beating the fat kid till he can't stand up.

The idea that kids don't need adults is laughable to anyone who remembers being a kid.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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> I have a strange feeling that some of those are just people too embarassed to say they met online Probably right. I don't really get the stigma, but I've known a few people personally who told the same lie and found later it was online. One in particular had a huge elaborate story about their bar meeting. His wife told me later one day he basically selected her from a website. So like most questions, probably worth…

Selected... What? Not matched? You are making it seem like she just listed herself for selection on a website and went with it?

Older dating sites were basically lists of profiles and you could send a message to anyone, without "matching".

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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The loss of community, sadly, does not affect only the youth, but all people that have grown with the internet. This now includes older millennials like me.

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I have a silly dream that has been calling me for years now, and I don't know where to start [1]. We're all knowledge workers now, right? We basically just need electricity, a laptop and an internet connection to contribute to society.

Is this not the time to start a movement away from the big chaotic cities, back into the calmer and more peaceful rural villages? I envision a future where "nature life" does not mean hippy living like the 1800s, but we can leverage our modern high technology to make natural life even better for us. For example, solar panels, low-energy devices and appliances, automated greenhouses/hydroponics, etc.

Natural life also means community life. We are tribal animals, we enjoy being productive members of groups of Basically, I have this unbearable call to settle in the middle of nowhere, with other people that have the luxury to live free of the shackles of modern society, to live like humans are meant to live: in the sun, in the grass, in a community but also with running water, fibre internet and green energy.

I know some of us are starting to have the same need and we are at a point in civilisation where this is possible, so here's my shot in the dark, hoping to talk with and hear from the other unreasonable, uncivilised ones that just want to abandon the idea that we are meant to live in chaotic cities socialising mostly through the hellish babel that is social media.

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1: actually, I know where to start. I am moving back to Italy within the next few months, and will seriously look into a place to settle and to make this a reality just for myself.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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I'm surprised dating sites work well enough that 50% of customers meet via it. They've no incentive to help you leave.

50% of heterosexual couples meeting online is not the same as 50% of customers of dating sites entering a relationship. It could be the case that say, only 10% of dating site customers end up in a relationship, and this 10% amounts to 50% of the total couples, and the math would work out. E.g.: suppose the total population is 1000 people, 500 of which are on a dating site, and the total number of couples is 20, 10 of…

That's a possible theory, but we know the reality is opposite.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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No, absolutely not. Young people are more connected than they have ever been before, just now they are connected in some of the most unhealthy and detrimental manners possible. Instead of connecting with friends in real life, they form communities on social media, in discord channels, in video games, etc. The consequences are just barely starting to show themselves. As for the why, I think they are many reasons. The…

> The Internet is obviously an attractive and addictive place, but cities have gotten so much worse as well. Where I live the playgrounds I used to go to as a child are now full of drug dealers... Oh, c'mon. The world didn't get scarier, and force us to retreat to the comforts of online interaction. If anything, most of the world is a safer place since the 1990s[1], which curiously coincides with the rise of the inte…

>Oh, c'mon. The world didn't get scarier, and force us to retreat to the comforts of online interaction. If anything, most of the world is a safer place since the 1990s[1], which curiously coincides with the rise of the internet.

The statistics of crime nationally or globally are totally irrelevant to my personal experience of my surroundings. Definitely places which I visited as a child I would avoid today.

I would also like to point out that an increase in crime can easily lead to a statistical decrease in reported crime. If you flat out ignore the perception of safety you easily fall prey to reporting bias.

I am also not saying it is the only thing, definitely the mere existence of digital places has changed in the last decades.

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