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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by kjkjadksj »

anonu wrote: post #583
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> the Republican anti-immigrant platform It's just illegal immigration. We need more immigration. But people's first act as American citizens should be a legal one.

Its an anti legal immigrant platform too as they work to limit visas.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by brigadier132 »

dantondwa wrote: post #152
brigadier132 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you own anything of value? What about your family? Now let's try practicing some empathy: How would you feel if I just took that from you?

Sorry, but I don’t think families who escaped in those times were exactly just innocent property owners.

Many were. My grandfather was just a doctor that owned a townhouse. My mom had her toy bear's head ripped off by customs as she was leaving to check she wasn't smuggling gold out of the country. My grandfather was completely uninvolved in the war, like the vast majority of Cubans. Castro promised everyone that Cuba would become a democracy. Stopped buying the leftist propaganda you've been fed. You have 10% of a country fleeing in 3 years and you people still can't admit you were wrong, it's worse than a cult.

The bright side is, despite the suffering involved, moving to America is the greatest thing that could have happened to my family.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by kjkjadksj »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #284
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

What if * some* highly intelligent immigrants oppose American values? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. They may use their capital and ability to politically undermine our civil liberties. Most people globally aren't used to the American interpretation of free speech or gun rights. I don't want people coming here using their talents to politically remove my rights. I think this is a fair point to make.

You don’t have to immigrate to the US to do that if you are sufficiently rich.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by maeil »

avz wrote: post #495
TMWNN wrote: post #450

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>One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? I will speak from the perspective of one who emigrated to the US. Every new group is initially seen as "the other". After some point, however, employers that hire "the other" may find that they can pay them less because there is less demand to hire them, and thus benefit financially, they hire more. As other employers follow suit, over time the sa…

The US has extended the protection of the law to the law-abiding Irish, Italians, Germans, Russians, Jews, East Asians, Indians, and Latinos freeing them up to flourish and build human capital. By contrast, the same state has not only failed to do so for the Black community, but its agents have engaged in extrajudicial killings of the community's members with impunity since they lost their legal "protection" as someo…

> Regarding Indian Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims, I disagree they are indistinguishable for outsiders. Typically, anybody who cares can tell by the name, place where they live, or even just the job they do.

It is only recently that some white Brits may have started clueing on to this. While these trends were emerging, this was definitely not the case.

And even now, it very often is not the case. To give an example, plenty of Brits from Pakistani muslim backgrounds have names and surnames that <1% of white Brits could place as being of that background. This isn't rare at all, unlike e.g. Arab names that indeed most can tell apart.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by eoverride »

BurningFrog wrote: post #179
wslh wrote: post #166

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The article exactly says "US embargo".

Sure, but a lot of people seem to think Cuba is cut off from world trade. They're only cut off from one country. Someone called it a "blockade" on this page.

This is very misleading.

From Wikipedia:

”The United States has threatened to stop financial aid to other countries if they trade non-food items with Cuba.”

"While the US measures against Cuba do not amount to a blockade in a technical or formal sense, their cumulative effect is to put an economic stranglehold on the island, which not only prevents the United States intercourse but also effectively blocks commerce with other states, their citizens and companies."

”Despite the existence of the embargo, Cuba can, and does, conduct international trade with many countries, including many US allies; however, US-based companies, and companies that do business with the US, which trade in Cuba do so at the risk of US sanctions.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_...

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Post by [deleted] »

noduerme wrote: post #322
gottorf wrote: post #201

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

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Post by Galanwe »

BurningFrog wrote: post #163

Note that it's only the US that has an embargo against Cuba. The rest of the world trades pretty freely with them.

US embargos are much, much more than just preventing Country US trades.

- The US applies embargo transitively. That means any movement of fund related to an embargoed country and transiting to the US is illegal. In other words, you cannot use a US bank, mortgage, funding, accounting firm, etc for these trades.

- The US applies extra territotial rules to USD. Any trade involving USD, even if completely remote to the US, is under US jurisdiction.

These constraints make a US embargo a very, very high bar to do any kind of trade.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

rpmisms wrote: post #452
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

I support immigration too, as long as it's people we vet. Smart people want to live here, and will jump through hoops to do so. We should make the hoops easier for them, and actually deport people who spit in their faces by waltzing over the border and staying. It's not fair to the hard-working honest people who played by the rules. Also, you should be concerned about the crime. Have you seen what the cartel does in…

Cartel members are already here you know. It’s not their mere presence that results in wanton violence and a lack of government authority to deal with it.

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Post by Seattle3503 »

Shaanie wrote: post #599
Seattle3503 wrote: post #541

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> And this is despite billions of welfare money given for housing, free education, free access to health, etc. This assumes those things help one integrate. The Unites States notably doesn't have these things to the same degree that countries in Europe do. This means immigrants in America need to work. And work is a strong forcing function for socialization and integration. > You mentioned Gypsies, well I read schola…

America also just have way fewer refugees. Seems like it's around 60k a year, so less than 0.02% of the population per year. Sweden, for example, has had around 26k refugees per year (the last 10 years), which is around 0.2% of its population. At its peak Sweden almost took on a full 1% in one year. Of course it's easier to integrate a magnitude fewer refugees, and there will be less issues overall.

That's true as well economic migrants are very different from refugees. The US is experiencing this more recently with refugees from Venezuela.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by michtzik »

lucubratory wrote: post #441

This just does not seem plausible. Sure, I understand the claim that Cuban statistics are falsified because the Cuban government is obviously biased about whether "Cuba is good", but the claims about Cuban emigration are coming from groups that are very distinctly anti-Cuban themselves; why should I trust them to tell the truth about Cuba, particularly when lying about your enemies is incredibly effective, common, an…

Here's the opening sentence of TFA:

> A stunning 10% of Cuba’s population — more than a million people — left the island between 2022 and 2023, the head of the country’s national statistics office said during a National Assembly session Friday, the largest migration wave in Cuban history.

Is Cuba's national statistics office "distinctly anti-Cuban"?

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