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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by mrinterweb »

nullindividual wrote: post #19
ein0p wrote: post #12

This needs to be multiplatform for it to be a viable option for the more tech inclined. I run all three major desktop operating systems plus iOS, so I use Bitwarden

It is available across the two major desktop operating systems, but you'd have to read the article to find that out. > The Passwords app is free to download, available across iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and MacOS 15, and will also work with the Vision Pro and Windows computers, says Apple.

Unless Apple treats every major OS as a first class citizen for this password management app, this becomes another form of ecosystem/vendor lock-in. Have all your passwords securely stored in our app? Thinking about buying an Android phone? Think again.

Of the major tech companies, Apple probably has the worst track record of not playing nice with other platforms, walled gardens and all. Passwords are needed on all platforms. Apple would be the last company I would trust to ensure that I would be able to access my passwords anywhere I may need them.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by lovethevoid »

kgilpin wrote: post #596

I have already been using iPhone Passwords for all my passwords. Anyone else doing this? It autofills passwords on the phone and I can copy a password from the phone Passwords and paste it on my MacBook. Whenever I do a password change, I have to do it on my phone, so that the new one will be stored. But that is fine with me. I’m happy to do that in exchange for being freed from “password managers”.

This and the android equivalent (chrome/google) are very common methods. It’s only in enterprise spaces that they’ve adopted the likes of 1Password, Bitwarden, etc.

Really no big difference, you’re still technically using a password manager.

Also you can access those passwords on Mac as well, it’s in settings just as you would find it in your phone. No need to copy from your phone and paste it, Mac can autofill. It can also autofill on other browsers through the dedicated right click menu, but it’s a bit more clunky than on Safari.

Fun fact, those same passwords can be accessed on windows now, install iCloud for windows and enable passwords. It uses a dedicated app on Windows.

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Post by afavour »

nyolfen wrote: post #599
afavour wrote: post #579

Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

> and you could never use a third party storage service with BW AFAIK https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

I should have been clearer, I meant that it didn’t work with arbitrary cloud storage providers like iCloud, Dropbox, Google Drive and so on.

I’m a tech person and even I don’t want to be responsible for running a Vaultwarden server, the average user definitely doesn’t want to.

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Post by bryanbuckley »

hwc wrote: post #561

I've been using Bitwarden for a few years. It seems to do everything I need, and is cross-platform. I have a soft spot in my heart for `pass` ( http://www.passwordstore.org/ ), but it's a pain to access it from my phone.

I guess it's not every Firefox user, but Bitwarden hasn't been working for many FF users for the last month:

- https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/issues/8873

- https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/issues/9253

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Post by adam_arthur »

chuckadams wrote: post #524
adam_arthur wrote: post #265

People should just use a sufficiently complex, memorized, password for their money/identity, and then a (mental) algorithm that allows deriving unique passwords for other services that are less important. Only have to memorize 2-3 strings and more secure than a password manager since there's no third party in the loop. Password Managers are a huge man-in-the-middle and liability in other regards (e.g. you don't have…

Normal people don’t usually run password generation algorithms in their heads. When they do, the algorithm sucks. This is why we have password managers in the first place.

The formula can be very simple and is applied to less important services.

Unless you are directly, personally, targeted no hacker will waste the time trying to reverse engineer your algorithm... they'll just go on to brute forcing the next hash in the list.

And most people only have a few services that need to be truly secure anyway, which would use non-derived passwords (if they hack your netflix or spotify, who cares? Call support and get it back)

Password managers have had many exploits/failures over the years. You introduce so many points of failures bringing in a third party.

Your gibberish password with random symbols/characters isn't any more secure than a more memorable one of a similar length.

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Post by ASalazarMX »

virgildotcodes wrote: post #606

I have to be missing something. Isn’t this just a new coat of paint over keychain? What’s so revolutionary about this? A lot of people seem to be acting like this is a really big deal. Is it cause it’s available on windows now?

If Apple restricts db syncing only to iCloud, it will be a pretty keychain for all practical means.

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Post by lenkite »

afavour wrote: post #579

Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

Well, good to know that U.S. feds now just need to send a single ping to get all the world's passwords on Apple devices.

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Post by brailsafe »

freedomben wrote: post #500
nullindividual wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux isn't even relevant in this context with it's <1% DWM install base. Android, yes you have a point, though a Mac and Android is a strange combination.

> though a Mac and Android is a strange combination. Probably so, but there is one demographic well represented here that does this routinely: Developers. Macs are the default and often mandatory computers issued to developers at tech companies (I strongly disagree with this approach and think employees should get the platform they are most comfortable on, but Macs only is the current state of things in most places).…

For me it's pragmatic; MacBooks are or have been the best laptops, and Android phones have been the best value for money while also being less locked down. IPhones are just really expensive luxury devices imo. My phone will probably break for some reason out of my control within a few years of getting it, or it'll become outdated, so I want to get the best hardware + software combination I can for around ~$400USD

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Post by pshc »

kgilpin wrote: post #596

I have already been using iPhone Passwords for all my passwords. Anyone else doing this? It autofills passwords on the phone and I can copy a password from the phone Passwords and paste it on my MacBook. Whenever I do a password change, I have to do it on my phone, so that the new one will be stored. But that is fine with me. I’m happy to do that in exchange for being freed from “password managers”.

Yup, it's been super convenient to have iCloud sync all the keychain entries including wifi passwords, and quite secure and private.

I also enable keychain sync on my Mac so I can create passwords there too.

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