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Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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There is a giant hole in their pitch. Recall is supposed to be local only right? Thats what makes the record everything ok…

Now imagine you actively use it and it has all your memory and history. And then your SSD dies.

They’re going to have to push this to cloud for backup - the entire thing. But they can’t say that part out loud at this stage because people will freak

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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It feels desperate, rushed and ill thought through. They seem desperate to be ahead and they will frighten people away from the usefulness of ai.

I think this describes almost all AI products being promoted these days. They all seem rushed-to-market, in an attempt to get a boost to the company's stock price: "They're an AI company! BUY!"

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post #601

There is a giant hole in their pitch. Recall is supposed to be local only right? Thats what makes the record everything ok… Now imagine you actively use it and it has all your memory and history. And then your SSD dies. They’re going to have to push this to cloud for backup - the entire thing. But they can’t say that part out loud at this stage because people will freak

Or you could just lose that history, which is basically a bonus for the experience, not a necessity. The competitor to this, rewind.ai lets you set your retention policy and deletes on a rolling basis anyways.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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It feels desperate, rushed and ill thought through. They seem desperate to be ahead and they will frighten people away from the usefulness of ai.

I think this describes almost all AI products being promoted these days. They all seem rushed-to-market, in an attempt to get a boost to the company's stock price: "They're an AI company! BUY!"

Smells like the late 90s dot com bubble!

Everyone on the bandwagon.

Put out a landing page with AI on it and ride the hype train.

MS are pouring a lot into this - can they sustain it!

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post #601

There is a giant hole in their pitch. Recall is supposed to be local only right? Thats what makes the record everything ok… Now imagine you actively use it and it has all your memory and history. And then your SSD dies. They’re going to have to push this to cloud for backup - the entire thing. But they can’t say that part out loud at this stage because people will freak

Or you could just lose that history, which is basically a bonus for the experience, not a necessity. The competitor to this, rewind.ai lets you set your retention policy and deletes on a rolling basis anyways.

If you want this to be the new computer use paradigm then it has to be durable and long term.

Same as any other info storage like Evernote and friends. Doesn’t really work if it’s flakey or impermanent

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post #601

There is a giant hole in their pitch. Recall is supposed to be local only right? Thats what makes the record everything ok… Now imagine you actively use it and it has all your memory and history. And then your SSD dies. They’re going to have to push this to cloud for backup - the entire thing. But they can’t say that part out loud at this stage because people will freak

> They’re going to have to push this to cloud for backup - the entire thing. But they can’t say that part out loud at this stage because people will freak

This doesn't mean unencrypted, though. Will have to wait and see how much it exposes and how the key management works.

I'm not optimistic but it does seem rather unlikely they would botch the privacy of a constantly screenshotting daemon, it would be a little on-the-nose even with MS's horrendous privacy record.

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post #393

The AI is the least interesting part of this announcement. Microsoft is giving ARM another try with a special branding that's supposed to guarantee some level of performance and quality. That's possibly huge news.

Does anyone know if these chips will have SVE/SME?

To answer my own question, it appears the Oryon CPUs do not according to this LLVM patch: https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/blob/8aebe46d7fdd15f02a...

There's a pretty good interpretation of it here: https://chipsandcheese.com/2024/05/15/qualcomms-oryon-llvm-p...

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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post #605

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you could just lose that history, which is basically a bonus for the experience, not a necessity. The competitor to this, rewind.ai lets you set your retention policy and deletes on a rolling basis anyways.

If you want this to be the new computer use paradigm then it has to be durable and long term. Same as any other info storage like Evernote and friends. Doesn’t really work if it’s flakey or impermanent

The value of the data shrinks dramatically over time for this kind of data, I have been using rewind for around a year now and don’t think I have ever liked back past three months.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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post #605

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want this to be the new computer use paradigm then it has to be durable and long term. Same as any other info storage like Evernote and friends. Doesn’t really work if it’s flakey or impermanent

The value of the data shrinks dramatically over time for this kind of data, I have been using rewind for around a year now and don’t think I have ever liked back past three months.

You’re probably right about declining value over time.

Is that for personal use thoug? At work I’m routinely going through year+ old mails.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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post #601

There is a giant hole in their pitch. Recall is supposed to be local only right? Thats what makes the record everything ok… Now imagine you actively use it and it has all your memory and history. And then your SSD dies. They’re going to have to push this to cloud for backup - the entire thing. But they can’t say that part out loud at this stage because people will freak

> They’re going to have to push this to cloud for backup - the entire thing. But they can’t say that part out loud at this stage because people will freak This doesn't mean unencrypted, though. Will have to wait and see how much it exposes and how the key management works. I'm not optimistic but it does seem rather unlikely they would botch the privacy of a constantly screenshotting daemon, it would be a little on-th…

It’s less a technical problem and more principles and optics.

Can’t really argue a strong local only stance and do cloud. Encryption sure but that takes us into “it’s not local but trust us it’s all good” territory…from a company known to comply with all sorts of gov info requests.

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