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Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

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> In many scenarios, the observer is a machine or tool, not a human mind. An unconscious, non-experiencing mechanism is not an observer in the way the term “empirical”[0] is meant—to observe is to experience. > I also don't understand why the mind is relevant. See above. (I do not think I really understood the rest of your comment.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence

You can observe the state of a machine that is expected to derive it's state from an event or state of another object. For example, a video camera derives it's state from the light rays entering the lenses. I'm asking for some video evidence of religion. So really I am asking for an opportunity to observe a state of a machine, albeit a very specific state. I suppose you could argue this is just a very roundabout way…

> You can observe the state of a machine

Yes, but you still observe it, right? That’s how evidence is created.

Religion operates at a level closer to philosophy. You can interrogate theories of mind logically, but when you try to apply scientific method it breaks down—there’s no hard evidence you can obtain to prove or disprove your hypothesis. Similar is true of the claims made by a religion, though its obvious weak point is it’s more axiomatic and less logically rigorous (which is why I am not a proponent).

Re: Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

#602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can observe the state of a machine that is expected to derive it's state from an event or state of another object. For example, a video camera derives it's state from the light rays entering the lenses. I'm asking for some video evidence of religion. So really I am asking for an opportunity to observe a state of a machine, albeit a very specific state. I suppose you could argue this is just a very roundabout way…

> You can observe the state of a machine Yes, but you still observe it, right? That’s how evidence is created. Religion operates at a level closer to philosophy. You can interrogate theories of mind logically, but when you try to apply scientific method it breaks down—there’s no hard evidence you can obtain to prove or disprove your hypothesis. Similar is true of the claims made by a religion, though its obvious weak…

But why is religion special in this regard? Why does religion necessarily operate at a level closer to philosophy but other things don't?

Re: Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

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There are many leaps here, but the biggest leap is how reverting abuse later nullifies suffering incurred.

Because the sufferer is back exactly at the state before suffering, without even a recollection of suffering. And all the suffering was merely number multiplication.

This belief is very, very far from mainstream. It implies that suffering is a complete non-issue in general—after all, we all die and at that point by definition don’t have a recollection of prior suffering (or anything, really).

Since “resetting” is equivalent to killing a being and creating a new being in its place, saying it nullifies all suffering already incurred can take you on a very dangerous path.

Re: Is artificial consciousness achievable? Lessons from the human brain

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> You can observe the state of a machine Yes, but you still observe it, right? That’s how evidence is created. Religion operates at a level closer to philosophy. You can interrogate theories of mind logically, but when you try to apply scientific method it breaks down—there’s no hard evidence you can obtain to prove or disprove your hypothesis. Similar is true of the claims made by a religion, though its obvious weak…

But why is religion special in this regard? Why does religion necessarily operate at a level closer to philosophy but other things don't?

What other things do you mean, and why do you think it’s special?

“At this level” in context of this discussion simply means matters outside of the scope of natural sciences. Both philosophy (e.g., of mind) and religion make claims that are non-provable and non-falsifiable using scientific method. They are orthogonal to it.

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