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Why are most sofas so bad?

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Re: Why are most sofas so bad?

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The sheer amount of glue used in OSB and other manufactured sheet wood is pretty gross unfortunately. They are functionally useful for certain use cases, I just can't get myself to reach for it over real lumber and joinery.

Why does the glue concern you?

Its carcinogenic.

Re: Why are most sofas so bad?

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> Everything is bad these days, not just the sofas. When these conversations happens, I always wonder why people want some of these items to last forever. Are you going to stick with that 10 year old plasma TV? Great. I want new tech, and this stuff moves fast. Furniture is a bit different, but my parents had all kinds of good, long-lasting stuff that no one wants because it's out of style.

I've had my 65" LED Samsung smart TV for almost 10 years now... it cost about $800 back then. I thought about replacing it recently, but decided against it because it's working great and I don't feel like I'd be gaining much to buy a newer TV. Technology hasn't really advanced that much since 2014...

If picture quality matters to you (no judgement, at all, if it doesn’t) then OLED is a non-trivial step up in image quality.

I get it though: for 90% of the stuff I watch, I couldn’t care less about the quality. Much if it is on a small screen or in 1080p.

… but movie night with my wife/kids? Those are the nights I am grateful that the picture quality in my living room is untouchable by a theater. Those are the moments I, personally, live for.

Re: Why are most sofas so bad?

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Would you prefer a Sofa As A Service? Our cheap ikea couch keeps lasting, preventing us from buying a nice, new one. We can't throw it out of it's not broken. It is long known that companies who sell good quality products go out of business after a couple decades at most, they saturate their market and because no one needs to renew, the company dies. Ironically ikea HAS to sell quality (for price) because they are su…

Life's about "experiences" not owning property!

There’s a psychological safety in knowing that something is yours and it can’t be taken away; that you’re not beholden to someone else for it.

I think the proliferation of subscriptions in modern life has contributed to quite a bit of anxiety.

Re: Why are most sofas so bad?

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I got a Lovesac Sactional after using a couch for years that was a handme down of a handmedown. I like it but it was not cheap (~4.5k). The modular nature fits our lifestyle so I'm willing to pay the premium. Having had to move a couch multiple times, I'm looking forward to just being able to break this one up into sections and take it out the door. They've got an ingenious model from a profit perspective as well. Si…

I bought my Sactional in mid-December with a 25% discount. All of the reviews I found were very positive. This thing is a beast! I only wish I'd found a good rug before setting it up. It's on a tile floor but hasn't budged so far. I love its Lego-ness.

The center section of my last sectional broke after about four months. Should any section break, I can quickly replace that piece instead of having to "deal with it" or replace the whole thing.

Re: Why are most sofas so bad?

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> starting with institutional and overseas investors. This would do next to nothing. The landlords buying up real estate are mom-and-pops with fewer than 10 properties. Which makes sense, because residential property is a pretty decent passive income that's only accessible to people with wealth but are not a good asset for large institutions. Otherwise banks wouldn't sell foreclosed homes at a discount, they'd hold o…

>The landlords buying up real estate are mom-and-pops with fewer than 10 properties. That might be true, but there are lots of companies that own more than 1000 homes. 1-3 should be the limit.

You might want to read into data like this (1) to get a better view of how much housing stock those companies own as a proportion of the total market (it's very little). The data is kind of hard to get, because many small landlords have incorporated as LLCs/LLPs and they make up the bulk of "corporate" ownership.

But it's pretty clear that the big time owners like institutional investors/REITs/etc own less than 2% of all units.

(1) https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R47332.pdf

Re: Why are most sofas so bad?

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People aren't willing to pay thousands for furniture anymore.

My Rowe furniture sofa is 21 years old now and sits as if it was new. If I have a problem, I'll get it reupholstered or just order a new cushion from the manufacturer.

Re: Why are most sofas so bad?

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post #578

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The sheer amount of glue used in OSB and other manufactured sheet wood is pretty gross unfortunately. They are functionally useful for certain use cases, I just can't get myself to reach for it over real lumber and joinery.

Why does the glue concern you?

Others touched on it too, but I don't like all the chemicals in the wood or all the energy required to make it.

If I'm building something I try really hard to avoid it, I can only assume the dust is really toxic to breath in and I don't have money or space for a fancy dust collection system.

Re: Why are most sofas so bad?

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Twenty some years ago I used to work at a business that made and delivered sofas. They've got showrooms in key large cities in North America, fancy schmancy top end stuff. The factory was a real place; the frames were made of solid wood and plywood, there was a sewing floor and even one (incredibly kooky) person whose sole job was to stuff the pillows. This guy was in a little room full of feathers all day, and they'…

When I was in grad school I accidentally wandered into the workshop for Montauk ( https://montauksofa.com/collections/sofa/montauk/ ) with my girlfriend. They were very polite and I took their card. A few years later when I had some money, and my girlfriend was my wife, I still had the card and we bought one. More than twenty years since we still have it and it's just starting to get to where some of the cushions nee…

I also have a 20+ year old Montauk. I had the cushions replaced a couple of years ago because they don't offer a restuffing service. Not cheap, but should keep me going for another 20 years.

Re: Why are most sofas so bad?

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I've posted about our ~$2000 West Elm sofa that disintegrated within 2 years in a similar previous thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37393399 The whole thing is just stapled together OSB. I ripped the dust cover off and added 3 new frame stretchers made from 2x8 construction lumber (and tied other loose joints back together) and its done pretty well since then: https://imgur.com/a/bqlLgW3 (wish I'd gotten…

If you want longevity, don't buy "fast fashion" furniture like West Elm, Pier One, Wayfair, HomeGoods and even IKEA.

Re: Why are most sofas so bad?

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I moved to a bifold front-carry and will never go back, sitting on a wallet is such a recipe for disaster.

Yeah, I've never, ever understood why anyone would want to do that.

People used to tend to carry more. Cash, membership cards, etc. There was even a Seinfeld episode on the theme.
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