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New 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with M3 chip

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Re: New 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with M3 chip

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Post by wubrr »

piva00 wrote: post #584
wubrr wrote: post #547

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Have you ever used a Apple computer for long, like 1-3 months? I ask because I used to be like you, calling Apple users "fanboys", throwing hard data from benchmarks in discussions, being proud of my true h4ck0rz Linux installation on a IBM ThinkPad for work that was a pain in the ass to maintain in working state, had to stop updating after too many hours spent troubleshooting. Or relegate myself to working in Window…

> Have you ever used a Apple computer for long, like 1-3 months?

I've used many apple computers for the last ~10 years. I work on them daily.

> I ask because I used to be like you, calling Apple users "fanboys"

I'm not calling 'apple users' fanboys, I'm calling people who are literally fanboying in the comments fanboys.

> Started using macOS in the meantime, it had the shell utilities I needed so I kept using it while checking how you install some Linux on it, the UI worked flawlessly,

Ahahaha, there are soooooo many bugs in the macos UI and macos in general, many of these are well known and have existed for years.

> the OS was a breeze to learn,

What kind of point is this? You said you've used Windows and Linux before... what else is there to learn for macos? A few new shortcuts?

> I'd just turn it on and work.

I turn my windows and linux laptops on and they just work! Magic!

So again, you didn't make a single rational argument for why macbooks and macos are actually better... literally a fanboy.

Re: New 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with M3 chip

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Post by mhb »

exe34 wrote: post #567
itsoktocry wrote: post #479

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> nicest keyboard When have MacBooks ever had the nicest keyboard? They have pretty good keyboards, but I have 10 year old ThinkPads with keyboards that I prefer.

Are thinkpads considered "ultra mobile" (or whatever the buzzword is nowadays)? I thought they were more hefty? The thin/lightweight laptops from back then had crappy clickety keyboards.

Of course they were heftier, but "nicest keyboard" and "nicest keyboard given ridiculous thickness constraints" are a world apart. No idea what you mean about crappy Thinkpad keyboards. The old Thinkpad keyboards are widely acknowledged to have been great.

Re: New 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with M3 chip

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Post by ActorNightly »

princevegeta89 wrote: post #135
retskrad wrote: post #3

I can't tell the difference between my new M1 Max MacBook Pro and the new M3 Max Macbook Pro. Corporations have become pros at exploiting our human psychology. Their ads can make you believe that the smallest bump in improvements will make your older computer appear useless in comparison. That's why it's for the best if you avoid ads as much as possible.

The worst part about M3 is that they now have an 8GB Macbook Pro lineup. These "pro" machines have always been known for work and productivity, and 8GB just sounds like a piss poor product decision

The "pro" isn't for work or productivity, its for the appearance of work and productivity. Most people who buy Macs don't really understand what they are getting, developers included.

Re: New 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with M3 chip

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Post by lupire »

eropple wrote: post #548
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #481

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> The opposite ("macs are overpriced") is something I've never been able to understand. It's simple: People without much money have basic needs and want a ~$600 laptop but Apple doesn't sell one. It doesn't matter if the $1000 Macbook has better battery life than a $1000 Dell because they don't have a $1000 budget.

I'm not sure those people are the intended Macbook audience, though. How many of those people wouldn't be roughly as productive using an iPad or something? I've found myself doing almost all my non-development, non-media stuff on an iPad Air as of late and the environmental constraints have been really helpful for focus. (My iPad Air was $599 new, and I use a shockingly pleasant $30 case-and-keyboard combination for…

iPad has a tiny screen and a tiny keyboard. It's not a laptop.

Re: New 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with M3 chip

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Post by giantrobot »

samuell wrote: post #581
MBCook wrote: post #422

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Retina level OLED? Or 1080p? It boggles my mind people still buy 1080p laptops.

To me it doesn't really make sense to have the computer spend all those CPU cycles on pixels I don't even see (because of the size of a 13-14" laptop screen).

The CPU isn't the component spending the cycles. Also not seeing pixels is a feature. I am reading text roughly 99% of the time I'm on my computer. Shitty low DPI screens make my eyes ache and my head hurt. My Air's screen I can turn the overall brightness down yet still have great dynamic range. I can also see it from just about any angle unlike the typical shitty 1080p panel on the average PC laptop.

Re: New 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with M3 chip

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

bluecalm wrote: post #599
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #457

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I finally made the switch to Apple after being thoroughly frustrated with Windows laptops. It's not even close to a competition. Macbooks are just so far ahead of everyone else that you can't even compare them. Most Windows laptops have abysmal batteries, to the point that you can barely call them laptops. The trackpads are downright unusable. The keyboards are a hit or a miss. And for some reason, so many companies…

I think ThinkPads are better than MacBooks. You can get P14 with 32gb of RAM, 1TB SSD, very fast and quiet CPU (AMD U series), decent battery, 2.8k OLED screen and it weights 1.34kg (weight between 13 inch and 15inch new Airs). It also has imo better ports and a track point. The problem is that Windows sucks more and more with every iteration and there is nothing Lenovo or other manufacturers can do about it. Lenovo…

Offer and support desktop Linux?

Windows keeps dropping the ball and Linux just stands there looking at it on the ground.

Re: New 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with M3 chip

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Post by silisili »

bowsamic wrote: post #373
samatman wrote: post #85

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> But you can also pay $400 for a number of acceptable alternatives, and about $600-$700 for a machine with a discrete GPU. People love to say this without linking to a model. That's because the models in this price range are obviously not in the same weight class as a MacBook. Edit: Weight class and weight-of-laptop are not the same thing. I don't know how to explain the idiom "weight class" so that the more... lite…

> Edit: Weight class and weight-of-laptop are not the same thing. I don't know how to explain the idiom "weight class" so that the more... literal-minded Hacker News commenters will understand what I mean, but let's start there. Just don't ever use a metaphor on Hacker News. People will always misinterpret it

It's just not a good metaphor in this case, where weight is an actual determining factor. In boxing, weight class is literally your weight, saying nothing of your power.

League or class would have probably been better here.

Re: New 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with M3 chip

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Post by lupire »

zdragnar wrote: post #592
eropple wrote: post #551

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I've had a couple of Chromebooks and enjoyed them, but I never found one with a keyboard that didn't feel terrible to type on. Does one exist today?

I'm guessing if you want quality materials, you have to pay for it. I don't know if the pixel line of Chromebooks are still a thing, but even if they are you can just get a higher end laptop with more appropriate levels of local SSD storage and an actual OS for what I remember Google charging for them.

Higher end Chromebooks run Linux well.

Re: New 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with M3 chip

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

thfuran wrote: post #574
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> I disagree, and I always upgrade the RAM even though I don’t like paying more. Why? Because it puts pressure on developers to keep the bloat under control. Shouldn't you be doing the opposite then? Keeping the baseline amount so you can know what it's like for people without a large budget and stop patronizing the applications without acceptable footprints in that circumstance? > In that world you’d have all the so…

>We already live in that world. Nah, the treadmill stalled out years ago.

The CPU treadmill did because Moore's Law petered out. RAM keeps getting cheaper and applications keep using more of it.

Re: New 13- and 15‑inch MacBook Air with M3 chip

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Post by fragmede »

bluecalm wrote: post #599
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I finally made the switch to Apple after being thoroughly frustrated with Windows laptops. It's not even close to a competition. Macbooks are just so far ahead of everyone else that you can't even compare them. Most Windows laptops have abysmal batteries, to the point that you can barely call them laptops. The trackpads are downright unusable. The keyboards are a hit or a miss. And for some reason, so many companies…

I think ThinkPads are better than MacBooks. You can get P14 with 32gb of RAM, 1TB SSD, very fast and quiet CPU (AMD U series), decent battery, 2.8k OLED screen and it weights 1.34kg (weight between 13 inch and 15inch new Airs). It also has imo better ports and a track point. The problem is that Windows sucks more and more with every iteration and there is nothing Lenovo or other manufacturers can do about it. Lenovo…

Fortunately there's Linux which is has a great number of fans on Thinkpads. It's not for everybody, but Thinkpads are great for it.
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