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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by monkeynotes »

freejazz wrote: post #476
monkeynotes wrote: post #304

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The paradigm is changed beyond that. Exams are irrelevant if intelligence is freely available to everyone. Anyone who can ask questions can be a doctor, anyone can be an architect. All of those duties are at the fingertips of anyone who cares to ask. So why make people take exams for what is basically now common knowledge? An exam certifies you know how to do something, well if you can ask questions you can do anythi…

Doctors don't just ask LLMs for answers to questions so it's really a mystery as to what you think makes these people into doctors the second they start asking an LLM medical questions... It's akin to saying someone was a doctor when browsing WebMD

The doctor is the LLM, lol.

I don't think we can/should do this on today's LLMs, but if we continue advancing in the same way, and as-good-as-human reliability is achieved, the intelligence of a doctor is in your pocket whenever you want it.

And just like you say you know addresses because you have an address book, you'll know medicine because you have it immediately on-tap. Instead of holding all of that in your own memory, instead of having to use your own critical thinking (or lack thereof), just offload it to the LLM in your pocket.

We do this all the time with tools. Who now knows how to cut down a tree but lives in a house made of milled trees? There are so many lost skills that we defer to either other people or machines and yet each individual lives with the benefit of all those skills.

Tools make cognitive bypasses for us to benefit from. When we can make intelligence a tool, I assume we can offload a lot of our intelligence, or at least acquire new intelligence we didn't have before.

WebMD is the same whoever looks at it. An LLM can adapt to your clarification questions and meet you on your comprehension level. So no, it's not as naive as you are insisting.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by monkeynotes »

freejazz wrote: post #546
asylteltine wrote: post #544

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Lmao do you know doctors? I mean really, do you personally know doctors? Of course they will and I guarantee you they already do. It’s not a matter of stupidity or incompetence it’s a matter of time and ease of access. Of course people will do the fastest thing available to them how could I blame them? The cat is out of the bag.

I don't think you really got the point and you seem to be projecting your own personal feelings on doctors into this conversation in a fashion that I do not think is going to result in a productive conversation by continuing this discussion with you.

Whether the doctor's data for making informed decisions is in their head, or in the computer at their desk is immaterial. Where you fetch your knowledge from, either from wet-ware, or hardware doesn't have any net difference in the real world.

The skill today is the application of that knowledge. If an LLM can provide the data context, and the application advice and you perform what it says, congrats you now have a doctor's brain on tap for your own personal usage. The doctor has it in their head, you have it in a device. The net differences are immaterial IMO.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by monkeynotes »

oblio wrote: post #513
monkeynotes wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The paradigm is changed beyond that. Exams are irrelevant if intelligence is freely available to everyone. Anyone who can ask questions can be a doctor, anyone can be an architect. All of those duties are at the fingertips of anyone who cares to ask. So why make people take exams for what is basically now common knowledge? An exam certifies you know how to do something, well if you can ask questions you can do anythi…

That's not how knowledge works. Think of exams where you could have your textbooks and use them.

Yes, but a textbook has fixed knowledge that cannot be queried and discussed. That's why you need the doctor to interpret and apply.

An LLM is the doctor in your pocket. It's yours to use, and whether it is in your head (like a doctor who had to take exams to prove they really had it in their head), or in your pocket makes no difference in your ability to achieve a task.

"Intelligence: the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills."

Well, if I can acquire knowledge from the LLM, and apply it using the LLM's instructions, I now have achieved intelligence without doing an exam.

Problem is, I can lose my LLM. A doctor could lose their mental faculties though.

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Post by passion__desire »

nicbou wrote: post #466
passion__desire wrote: post #342

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AI-assisted information creation will be treated the same way electronic music is considered now.

It's hardly comparable. How will AI discover new facts in the real world? What is the AI equivalent of boots-on-the-ground journalism? Of learning by doing? A lot of reality happens in meatspace, and someone eventually needs to put that information into computers. AI can only rehash what's already there. My question is who will do that work if you rob them of any satisfaction for doing it? A man running a widget revi…

Funsearch could be one way out for theoretical work. For robotics, we can have better simulated environments to learn, so no need for meatspace. Run experiments in simulated envs.

https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/funsearch-making-new-d...

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Post by mildzebrataste »

bluetomcat wrote: post #278
philwelch wrote: post #249

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With practice I’ve found that it’s not hard to tell LLM output from human written content. LLM’s seemed very impressive at first but the more LLM output I’ve seen, the more obvious the stylistic tells have become.

It's a shallow writing style, not rooted in subjective experience. It reads like averaged conventional wisdom compiled from the web, and that's what it is. Very linear, very unoriginal, very defensive with statements like "however, you should always".

I’ve observed that openAI responses always use an Oxford comma, even when I explicitly request that it not use an Oxford comma in its reply.

That third comma has become my heuristic (shhhhhhhhhh… )

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by lurker616 »

discreteevent wrote: post #508
jstarfish wrote: post #279

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Nah, you got the right of it. It feels like the end of Usenet all over again, only these days cyber-warlords have joined the spammers and trolls. Mastodon sounded promising as What's Next, but I don't trust it-- that much feels like Bitcoin all over again. Too many evangelists, and there's already abuse of extended social networks going on. Any tech worth using should sell itself. Nobody needed to convince me to try…

> It feels like the end of Usenet all over again Eternal LLMber.

Great phrase!

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by lompad »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #265
lambda_garden wrote: post #243

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Think how many game developers were able to realize their vision because Unity3D was accessible to them but raw C++ programming was not. We may see similar outcomes for other budding artists with the help of AI models. I'm quite excited!

Except 'their vision' is practically homogeneous. I can't think even think of a dozen Unity games that broke the mould, and genuinely stand out, out of the many tens of thousands (?). There's Genshin Impact, Pokemon Go, Superhot, Beat Saber, Monument Valley, Subnautica, Among Us, Rust, Cities:Skylines (maybe), Ori (maybe), COD:Mobile (maybe) and...?

Rimworld. Dyson Sphere Program. Cult of the Lamb. Escape from Tarkov. Furi. Getting over it with Bennett Foddy. Hollow Knight. Kerbal Space Program. Oxygen not included. Pillars of Eternity. Risk of Rain 2. Tyranny.

I'd say all of those do some major thing that makes them stand out.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by PawgerZ »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #265
lambda_garden wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think how many game developers were able to realize their vision because Unity3D was accessible to them but raw C++ programming was not. We may see similar outcomes for other budding artists with the help of AI models. I'm quite excited!

Except 'their vision' is practically homogeneous. I can't think even think of a dozen Unity games that broke the mould, and genuinely stand out, out of the many tens of thousands (?). There's Genshin Impact, Pokemon Go, Superhot, Beat Saber, Monument Valley, Subnautica, Among Us, Rust, Cities:Skylines (maybe), Ori (maybe), COD:Mobile (maybe) and...?

I don't agree with you at all.

Angry birds, Slender: The Eight Pages, Kerbal Space Program, Plague Inc, The Room, Rust, Tabletop Simulator, Enter the Gungeon, Totally Accurate Battle Simulator, Clone Hero, Cuphead, Escape from Tarkov, Getting Over It with Bennett Foddy, Hollow Knight, Oxygen Not Included, Among Us, RimWorld, Subnautica, Magic: The Gathering Arena, Outer Wilds, Risk of Rain 2, Subnautica: Below Zero, Superliminal, Untitled Goose Game, Fall Guys, Raft, Slime Rancher, Firewatch, PolyBridge, Mini Metro, Luckslinger, Return of the Obra Dinn, 7 Days to Die, Cult of the Lamb, Punch Club.

Many more where those came from

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by protortyp »

rightbyte wrote: post #573
protortyp wrote: post #351

I doubt that the dogshit is so much worse than it used to be. Unfortunately, I also contributed to this. When I was 13 or 14, I scripted a little tool that allowed me to write one tech news blog post and generate multiple versions of it by simply swapping phrases, adding practically zero value. You'd be surprised (or not) how much of a tech news blog is repetitive wording, mainly to fill yet one more adsense banner a…

Interesting. How long ago was this? It is obvious it happens now alot, but at what time did you think it started?

This was already back in 2008/2009. At the time, I posted about my approach in online forums to ask for coding advice. Through those, I got to meet the creators of two more organizations that used a similar approach for PC gaming news pages.

And this was for the German market only. So I am quite sure that it was more common in the US at an earlier time, as they are usually ahead of us.

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