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In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by lolinder »

pivo wrote: post #383
wharvle wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On desktop, various Firefox updates would change my settings subtly and nag me about features I had no interest in If Firefox suited my needs 100% as well as Safari, this is why I’d still not use it. God damn is it noisy. You’re a browser, I have no interest in engaging with you more than necessary, whatever-I-was-trying-to-do is what I care about. Please stop acting like a kid who’s not getting enough attention. I…

> God damn is it noisy What is this noise you're referring to? I'm 90% Firefox and 10% Safari and I don't understand this comment.

There was this, a couple months ago:

Firefox displayed a pop-up ad for Mozilla VPN over an unrelated page (382 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36077360

I tabbed away from Firefox for a bit, and when I tabbed back I had a full screen popup ad for Mozilla VPN overlayed on top of the webpage I had been using.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by the_gipsy »

tomxor wrote: post #275
nsagent wrote: post #79

As someone in the Apple ecosystem, Firefox is not a very compelling alternative. I've certainly tried: Firefox Focus was my main iOS browser for a few years (I know it's Webkit-based) and I've tried switching on desktop as well. On desktop, various Firefox updates would change my settings subtly and nag me about features I had no interest in. On top of that, it was simply a slower browser, both with DOM manipulation…

> I've certainly tried: Firefox Focus was my main iOS browser for a few years (I know it's Webkit-based) TL;DR The truth is, no one has ever used Firefox or Chrome on iOS. You say you know it's webkit based... but the entire engine for any browser on iOS is Safari, not merely webkit based. Apple doesn't have a policy of "your browser must be derived from webkit" they have a policy of forcing browsers to use the liter…

Exactly. I use Safari and I hate it, but Firefox is just a reskin with a worse WebView.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by Barrin92 »

LegitShady wrote: post #362
aragonite wrote: post #274

Nowadays when a site functions in Chrome/Safari but not in Firefox, what are the common culprits? Usage of experimental Web APIs? Specific CSS properties? Deprecated features still supported by Chrome/Safari for backward compatibility? I ask because I'm wondering if it's possible for an extension/userjs to, if not polyfill, at least detect and warn users about attempts to use such features. Nowadays when a site doesn…

>when a site functions in Chrome/Safari but not in Firefox, what are the common culprits site written by google

no, not at all. Pretty much anything Google does works across all browsers.

The most common culprit by far are local and regional sites. Local bank, doctor's office, random public website from the municipality, school homepage and so on. The few software developers they have on hand simply don't bother testing against Firefox any more so things just break and aren't fixed.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by cassepipe »

I wonder how is mozilla VPN business going.

It was obvious to me that they should have gone into that business sooner as VPN are all about trust and they are one the few orgs committed to privacy so they can turn that trust into something valuable to them. But I am yet to see an ad for their VPN product while on the other hand I am bombarded by ads for SurfShark and NordVPN.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by wkat4242 »

krastanov wrote: post #85
jcalvinowens wrote: post #5

I switched back to firefox last year and haven't looked back. I still use chrome on another laptop sometimes, the performance difference from my human perspective is literally zero. These days, it's much more common for me to encounter a website that works in firefox but not chrome than the other way around. I actually switched for good when I had to use firefox to file my taxes, because the IRS free self-file site w…

Firefox out of the box indeed does not cause broken websites. However, the demographic of this forum probably will use Firefox with "Multi-Account Containers", "Temporary Containers", "uBlock Origin", and a few more. These are amazing for privacy and productivity, but will occasionally cause broken websites. Source: I am a Firefox-first user who occasionally uses plugin-less Chrome because the aforementioned plugins…

Multi-account-containers doesn't really break websites in my opinion. It's just like running a separate browser (in fact it's simply a firefox profile under the hood).

What can go wrong is if you've set a certain site to always open in a certain container and another site redirects you to this site. This can happen with Identity Providers like Okta, ADFS etc. They will then open in a different container (the assigned one) and lose context. Especially microsoft services have an annoying habit of redirecting through 25 different URLs on every sign-in. But if configured correctly it's a godsend, you can use this tool to sign into multiple MS tenants at the same time, something with chrome and not even Edge can do right now (switching teams between multiple tenants is a nightmare).

But I don't think it's the multi accounts containers at fault here, it's the user. Just don't do that :P

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by Dalewyn »

>the only remaining ethical web browser, Firefox.

Calling Firefox, or rather Mozilla, ethical is like calling China a paragon of protecting human rights.

So no, no thanks. Firefox can and should die, because Mozilla should die.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by NelsonMinar »

gunapologist99 wrote: post #578

> switching to the only remaining ethical web browser, Firefox Mozilla is actually not an ethical organization, if ethics mean the things that are espoused in this article. Mozilla receives literally billions from Google[1] every year -- $26,000,000,000.00 in 2021 alone, with only 3% market share. That's a lot of zeros -- some startups might be rather happy to see an annual 26 billion funding round! Mozilla forced pr…

That $26B is for paying all browsers, not Mozilla alone. Mozilla is not receiving literally billions from Google every year; a recent year was $450M. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-05-05/why-go...

It's still a lot of money, more than I suspect Firefox's market share would allow. It seems more like a payment to maintain a monopoly while keeping anti-trust concerns off of Google.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by r3d0c »

ncallaway wrote: post #569
mvdtnz wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like it doesn't matter how many examples of Firefox not working properly you are faced with, you will simply respond "well that's not Mozilla's fault, that on the website developer" for each and every one. At the end of the day it's the Firefox user who is faced with the problem.

I do feel that there’s a difference in kind between: “a website was built with Chrome in mind, and has problems rendering in Firefox”, and “a website was built specifically to degrade in Firefox”. If no engineering time was spent on Firefox, and it’s broken in Firefox, that’s a Firefox problem. If active engineering time was spent on _deliberately breaking_ Firefox, then yes, I don’t think that’s a Firefox problem. I…

which means other than a small handful of power users most people will continue using chrome, and websites will continue prefering to put it first, continuing the cycle

im curious to see what effect ublock not working as well on chrome as it will on firefox will have to the demographics, if there's no shift then that's a hurdle that has to be overcome by either firefox by some sort of engineering, google, or via legislation

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by lcof »

andrecarini wrote: post #248
jerojero wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have chrome installed. In the rare occasion that Firefox does not do a good job I just switch to chrome for that website and then go back. This is usually the case if there might be forms or something like that. It's minor enough that it doesn't bother me. Now, on the other hand, tab management is so much better with chrome and I've considered using Chrome for that reason alone. At work I do use chrome because I us…

Have you tried Tree Style Tabs [1]? [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

I wish tab groups to be implemented natively. Or that extensions can manage the tab bar instead of using a sidebar. That’s the best experience we can get so far, but it does not feel right to me.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by 38 »

netbioserror wrote: post #580

The engine monopoly point has been kind of stupid for a while now. Blink is open source. It's a stable target. It's not vendor-locked. There is no problem with it having a monopoly, and I am sure the industry can decide to fork it or start over if the leadership goes absolutely cuckoo. When it comes to good open source projects, we WANT to be converging on that one leading project and ensuring it's the best it can be…

Google is constantly inventing new JS APIs. Some websites adopt those, which then breaks the site for all other browsers. That's good enough reason for everyone to avoid Blink.
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