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Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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It's largely engineers who don't really understand the value of a C-level person, as evidenced time and time again in the comments. The concept you could fire someone for business reasons and later be their very good friend and recommend them for another job - sometimes an even better one than you employed them in - doesn't fit the single-input single-output mind of a lot of engineers. It's alright. We all have roles…

Your reg dates are 2012 and 2014. As you know, this is hacker news. not c-level news, not middle management news.. hacker news.

That's exactly the point. I'm C level, but at heart, I'm a hacker and and engineer, and have been for what, 24 years now (sobering). Reflecting on this isn't a criticism (though we all know how touchy engineer-types can be) -- it's just an acknowledgment. To E-types, firing is loss of job, loss of livelihood, to C-types, it's a reposition of an asset, a reassignment of a resource to a new project. All we're doing here is acknowledging this.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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> PG removed Sam Altman silently without harming his future. When police departments do that to overly aggressive cops, it’s generally considered a bad thing.

There are different sets of concerns governing police accountability, transparency, etc., from those governing various different types of corporations, and rightly so.

It makes sense. It's not like corporations have responsibilities that can have life & death impacts on people, or that can radically transform the lives of people who don't even work there.

Oh wait...

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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> Putin is the best in the world to deal with the situation he’s in right now, if you need a negative angle on this. Probably not true? It seems like Russia could use another Yeltsin (or Gorbachev) more than Putin for its current situation.

I think they spent decades growing their economy and preparing to be independent of the west and now our sanctions are useless. It feels like this situation is exactly what they want (and likely an historical inflection point, where we pit east vs west again). Dropping the cold war was needed because they had no resources (surprise, socialism doesn't work!). I'm waiting for Taiwan next and then I'd say we are complet…

The point of sanctions isn't to hurt their economy (that would just make their people mad at us), it's to stop them from resupplying their military.

Their response is to become dependent on China instead.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Weird: The most relevant hn post on Altman’s departure from YC is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19342184 But despite comments to the effect that the YC post indicated Sam’s departure, it doesn’t seem to say anything about it right now?

I'm pretty sure the HN thread hasn't changed, but you're right, the YC post has: https://web.archive.org/web/20190310042303/https://blog.ycom... . One could bisect to find out where. Weird! I've never known these things to change like that, and it's not as if the news wasn't already public.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38386524

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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It's difficult to conceptualize someone who is ruthless, self-interested, and skilled enough to overcome all problems... except your control over them. Eventually they look at you and decide you're the problem to be overcome. Might not happen for a while, but inevitably will.

Are you talking about Sam or an AGI?

Maybe.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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They actually changed the URL structure This is the old URL, and they indeed mentioned Sam leaving https://web.archive.org/web/20190316222853/https://blog.ycom...

Ohhhh thanks. Looking at those it looks like there was an edit: > Updated on 6/12/20 > In May 2019, Geoff Ralston took over as YC President. At that time, Sam Altman stepped away from any formal position at YC. https://web.archive.org/web/20201028062425/https://blog.ycom... And then shortly after the edit disappeared too: https://web.archive.org/web/20210423025128/https://blog.ycom...

I mean, do what you want, the YC blog is not the New York Times, but the Winston Smith-esque silent modifications are cast into some relief given current events.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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It came as a surprise for me to learn that PG fired Sam. It's the first time that I read this actually, and if that's true, I find it kind of mysterious that it remained a secret for so long. Or maybe I missed the news somehow but I could not find any other mention of that event on Google.

I feel the same way about Annie Altman's allegations. Those were out there, but somehow I wasn't aware of them, and I see almost no one discussing them. I mean, I understand why, but it's still disheartening.

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I've definitely never heard of it, and I was pretty shocked when I read it given how much positive stuff pg has written about sama, and the article itself says the firing "has not been previously reported". Reading some recent pg tweets through this lens, though, I think it makes sense. E.g. there is this tweet: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1726198939517378988 . Both of the following can be true (and more to the…

> sometimes making decisions that are nominally about a higher goal but (not really coincidentally) are self-aggrandizing "Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong."

Isn’t that reference like the exact opposite? It’s nominally self-aggrandizing (he’s the only one who could have gotten it right) but is actually about a higher goal (sacrificing himself for everyone else’s sake). That’s how I remember reacting to it anyways.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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It’s actually much less confusing than that. It’s clear he has a knack for becoming a favorite son of billionaire oligarchs who see him as useful. Which, assuming he’s like everyone else who’s done that, was accomplished by a combination of flattery and willingness to operate on behalf of the ruling class totally untethered from any principles whatsoever.

It's pretty incredible that the upper echelons have so thoroughly psyopped everyone below them that the public runs confused around in an endless maze of ideology, false pretexts and stirred up drama. This way only insiders recognise the most fundamental realpolitical power struggles of all ages; that the "very confusing" wars, coups or power grabs is not very complex at all but always - almost as a physical principl…

One thing I've universally noticed in unintelligent/conspiratorial political analysis is they think you can explain everything by "following the money", like here. These people are sometimes known as "low-information voters".

It's amazing how much this is actually never true. Politics is largely about sincerely-held ideologies.

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