How are OpenAI expected to align a hyper-intelligent entity if they can't even align themselves....
OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
601–610 of 1001 posts
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#602Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's almost like a ChatGPT hallucination. Where will this all go next? It seems like HN is melting down.
O was thinking of something like that. This is so weird I would not be surprised if it was all some sort of miscommunication triggered by a self inflicted hallucination. The most awesome fic I could come up so far is: Elon Musk, in running a crusade to send humanity into chaos out of spite for being forced to acquire Twitter. Through some of his insiders in OpenAI, they use an advanced version of ChatGPT to impersona…
Shouldn't it be 'Chairman' -Xi?
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#603Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no one to fire the board. They're not accountable to anyone but themselves. They can burn down the whole company if they like.
> They can burn down the whole company if they like. That's well under way I would say.
500 people out of 700 leaving as fast as they get offers from Microsoft or elsewhere means replacing staff with empty office space and losing any plans or organization. A literal corporate war would be less disruptive.
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#604Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#605Have seen a lot of criticism of Sam and of other CEO's But I don't think I have seen/heard of a CEO this loved by the employees. Whatever he is, he must be pleasant to work with.
Its not love, its money. Sam will brings all the employees lots of money (through commercialization) and this change threatens to disrupt that plan for the employees.
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#606Earlier quoted context omitted.
3 board members (joined by Ilya Sutskever, who is publicly defecting now) found themselves in a position to take over what used to be a 9-member board, and took full control of OpenAI and the subsidiary previously worth $90 billion. Speculation is just on motivation, the facts are easy to establish.
tangentially, it’s an absolute disgrace that non-profits are allowed to have for-profit divisions in the first place
It begs the question: why was OpenAI structured this way? For what purposes besides potentially defrauding investors and the government exist for wrapping a for-profit business in a nonprofit? From a governance standpoint it makes no sense, because a nonprofit board doesn't have the same legal obligations to represent shareholders that a for-profit business does. And why did so many investors choose to seed a business that was playing such a cooky shell game?
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#607Well I give up. I think everyone is a "loser" in the current situation. With Ilya signing this I have literally no clue what to believe anymore. I was willing to give the board the benefit of the doubt since I figured non-profit > profit in terms of standing on principal but this timeline is so screwy I'm done. Ilya votes for and stands behind decision to remove Altman, Altman goes to MS, other employees want him bac…
Waiting for US govt to enter the chat. They can't let OpenAI squander world-leading tech and talent; and nationalizing a nonprofit would come with zero shareholders to compensate.
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#608Earlier quoted context omitted.
A few weeks ago my 4yr old Minecraft gamer was playing pretend and said "I'm fighting the biggest boss. THE MICROSOFT BOSS!" Yeah M$ hasnt had a good reputation. I finally left Windows this year because I'm afraid of them after Win11. 2023/4 will be the year of the Linux Desktop in retrospect. (or at least my family's religion deemed it)
I was wondering how many lines I'd have to scroll down in the comments to see a "M$" reference here on HackerNews. They're a $2+ trillion dollar company. They're doing something right.
Now do oil companies and big pharma.
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#609Who do these upstarts think they are? The board needs to immediately sack them all to regain its authority, and that of capitalism itself. /s
Really, though, its getting beyond hilarious. And I reckon Nadella is chuckling quietly to himself as he makes another nineteen-dimensional chess move.
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#610Well I give up. I think everyone is a "loser" in the current situation. With Ilya signing this I have literally no clue what to believe anymore. I was willing to give the board the benefit of the doubt since I figured non-profit > profit in terms of standing on principal but this timeline is so screwy I'm done. Ilya votes for and stands behind decision to remove Altman, Altman goes to MS, other employees want him bac…
That's the biggest question mark for me; what was the original reason for kicking Sam out. Was it just a power move to out him and install a different person or is he accused of some wrong doing? It's been a busy weekend for me so I haven't really followed it if more has come out since then.
Literally no one involved has said what was the original reason. Mira, Ilya & the rest of the board didn't tell. Sam & Greg didn't tell. Satya & other investors didn't tell. None of the staff incl. Karpathy were told, so ofc they are not going to take the side that kept them in the dark). Emmett was told before he decided to take the interim CEO job, and STILL didn't tell what it was. This whole thing is just so weird. It's like peeking at a forbidden artifact and now everyone has a spell cast upon them.