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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by code_duck »

jhatemyjob wrote: post #476
code_duck wrote: post #433

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Based on what I’ve read on reddit/lemmy lately, some people still have the impression iPhones have an air of exclusivity from being more expensive. I agree that of course this isn’t true, though perhaps it was 12 years ago. As far as your second point, well… I guess that’s precisely the attitude I was addressing. I definitely don’t agree that a phone brand is as strong an indicator of personality traits as the exampl…

I think you should read the Steve Jobs biography by Walter Isaacson

What would that change my mind about? Would you mind explaining why you think I need to read it or what that’s related to?

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by neilalexander »

TerrifiedMouse wrote: post #423
madeofpalk wrote: post #363

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So. What exactly is the "RCS" that Apple is supposedly going to support? RSC for Android? RCS for Pixel? RCS for Samsung? RCS for Verion? What's the point of a standard that has 5 different ways it's fragmented on the same base platform?

RCS for iOS. 6 different ways it’s fragmented. :p Or maybe Apple will just implement it exactly as the spec says with no frills.

That is exactly what Apple will do: implement it by the spec. Then they can turn around to regulators and say they have done what they needed to do to be interoperable and, if compatibility problems arise, can point the finger right back at their competitors.

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Post by hocuspocus »

310260 wrote: post #460
hocuspocus wrote: post #192

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> I hope the GSM association moves fast to make robust E2EE a standard required for proper implementation for carriers. This is pretty moot now. Google has effectively turned RCS into a proprietary protocol, they fully control the only relevant server implementation, carriers that want to interconnect have no choice but to deploy Jibe or use Jibe as a service.

> the only relevant server implementation That's not true. Mavenir offers an RCS platform that T-Mobile has been using up until recently. A renewed interest in RCS due to Apple supporting it might end up with their platform being more sellable. https://www.lightreading.com/mobile-core/mavenir-t-mobile-co...

You're proving my point. T-Mobile had to switch to Jibe.

I work at a carrier that deployed a solution provided by WIT. Then around 2019-2020 Google decided they weren't interested in an open and interconnected RCS backend anymore.

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Post by izacus »

gigatexal wrote: post #592
kmeisthax wrote: post #501

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>I see all arguments to force Apple to open up iMessage as punishing them for building a platform that people want that the majority of the US has bought into. I see all arguments that Apple shouldn't be forced to open up iMessage (or implement RCS) as forcing me to have a worse phone experience because I didn't buy an iPhone from the company that said "if you want to sideload apps, buy an Android". "Just use a third…

Absolutely hilarious to see the willingness for folks on this platform to advocate the opening up of something a company built by fiat. Because YOU don't want to adapt you're asking nay advocating the forceful opening up of another platform to do it for you. That's just lazy. Think about it like this: You create a super successful bit of software -- let's call it an operating system -- that runs on a very popular and…

> Absolutely hilarious to see the willingness for folks on this platform to advocate the opening up of something a company built by fiat.

Yes, it's called creating standards and fostering free market competition. This has happened REPETEDLY and time and time again.

Pretty much every standard, cable and tech you're using that works on multiple manufacturers was "something a company built by fiat".

If I'm facetious as you - I'm surprised just how deep corporate bootlicking goes here that outright hurts your ability to vote with the wallet and make modern market capitalism work for you as a user.

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Post by izacus »

kelnos wrote: post #498
hbn wrote: post #168

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Yup. The shaming campaigns are just a way to play the moral high ground in their effort to replace an actual messaging standard with their own proprietary service. SMS is certainly long overdue to be replaced, but I don't want it replaced with a Google service. Hopefully the iPhone adoption will be some incentive for carriers to implement RCS properly.

I don't really care if the shaming was done in good or bad faith. At the end of the day, I'm an Android user in a sea of iPhone users, and I'm tired of the fact that our default communication mode has to be SMS or MMS. If this fixes that problem, I don't quite care how we got here.

It's kind of bizarre that people here would rather have shitty experience talking to their friends just to defend the honor megacorporations.

Apple and Google ARE NOT PEOPLE. They do NOT HAVE FEELINGS you need to defend. Jesus.

Being able to send a rich message from iPhone to Android and back (including location, pictures, videos) is really not something that will cause you pain and Apple won't lash out and punish you for it.

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Post by netmare »

OJFord wrote: post #467
commoner wrote: post #80

Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…

> Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. And which prompts you every bloody time you open it to enable RCS, ignoring the last thousand times you clicked the tiny 'skip for now' font.

I also skipped that, but we won't have to worry about it anymore. They started enabling it by default. Recently got a toast notification that I barely got to read. Soon they'll probably make it mandatory. :o)

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Post by tomashubelbauer »

bsimpson wrote: post #204
no_wizard wrote: post #28

This is something I never thought I'd see. I hope the GSM association moves fast to make robust E2EE a standard required for proper implementation for carriers. That would go a long way in making a huge improvement over SMS/MMS. This is a win for RCS, ultimately. Maybe this will kick carriers into high gear to up their messaging standard support game and have standard interop. I don't think this will lead to a declin…

Reactions aren't in RCS? I thought that was one of the main motivators for it.

I thought the primary motivation for RCS was E2EE and secondary motivations were niceties like read receipts, reactions and HQ media. So far this thread has been very illuminating and shocking to me. Especially E2EE being an extension to a standard not a core part of it in 2023.
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