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Nice to read this. Its not the medium, nor the media, its the business model that is the problem. The incentives are perverted and the outcome imbalanced. The entire ad tech universe is built on false metrics, lies and fraud. Burn it all down.
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i get the having control of your data part (at least for address, name, social sec #, phone number and email - those are really important). but i could care less if an algorithm knows i like elvis presely or what my taste in food is, etc. but i don't understand how personalized ads are harmful. if you don't like the product, just don't buy it? what am i missing? personally, i only buy products that I really want or r…
Taste in food, the supplements you take, and things like whether you like Elvis Presely, can absolutely be used to out you in ways that you may not want. The famous example I remember from growing up was a teen girl whose parents found out she was pregnant from a personalized (mailed) Target ad: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-targ... . There seem to be some skepticism in later articles that t…
you wouldn't believe how irrelevant to me, the ads i get are.
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> More and more people are okay with losing with privacy though, and the more who take that position, the more you lose by not taking it. I'm trying to simply that with an ear for contradiction; If P; the more group A lose -> if NOT P; the more group NOT A lose. For P -> L = some loss of privacy (Okay it's late and I'm clutching at it a little, but something doesn't ring true) It seems like a formulation of "network…
it would help for you to define your variables (A, P, L) and notation (=, ->, "lose") Or, if you could, would you mind rewriting it in english, please?
> Meta has stated that it had already announced plans to provide users in the EU and EEA with an opportunity to provide consent and will introduce a subscription model in November to comply with regulatory requirements This effectively means then that if you are in the EU and you'd want to use either Facebook or Instagram you'd have to pay for a subscription then because they presumably won't offer the free-service w…
From the Independent (and presumably elsewhere): > Meta said it has cooperated with regulators and pointed to its announced plans to give Europeans the opportunity to consent to data collection and, later this month, to offer an ad-free subscription service in Europe that will cost 9.99 euros ($10.59) a month for access to all its products > Tobias Judin, head of the international section at the Norwegian Data Protec…
This is already present in EU. Spiegel.de and others are like that. Pay or be tracked.
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Who said anything about giving government infinite power? It's just difference of attitudes. Europeans tend to trust the government more than the corporations. No need for ridiculous examples, for every bad politician example there exist a bad corporation example. You say nazis, I say Bhopal disaster. No need for that, at least the Nazis payed dearly for it. Corporations are unaccountable. >And remind me again how th…
Wow, I guess 6MM ethnic genocide and a world war is comparable to a ~600k casualty chemical spill because at least we punished the Nazis more, I suppose that makes all the difference. What a perfect comparison for how toothless corporations are compared to governments. Americans don't think politicians are a different breed of people, they treat them differently because their position in government gives them a lot m…
Being done by the government and not by a company doesn’t change a thing. Maybe except that if it was a company, they would have monetize it better I guess.
Antisemitism was and sadly is very widespread in Europe.
Comments here so far focus on personalised ads as the issue -- but that's a symptom of what's being banned, which is the mass collection of personal data. Personalised ads are beside the point. The issue is how they are personalised, namely by building a rich profile of user behaviour based on non-consensual tracking. It isnt even clear that there's a meaningful sense of 'consent' to what modern ad companies (ie., go…
Upon logging into okcupid today I received a pop up inviting me to join The League (another dating app), with my phone number already pre-propagated. After accepting, they sent me this email. > We use the combination of your Facebook and LinkedIn data plus your About Me and Photos to ensure we are building a balanced, high-achieving and diverse community. Our screening algorithm looks at indicators like social influe…
I know in HN there is a big "personalized advertising" is bad sentiment, but I don't get what the problem is. I mean, if I am looking for a notebook, I rather have FB/IG (or Google or whatever), show me adds of a notebook that I might end up buying, instead of the generic poker/porn adds that we had on the beginning of the internet. It is almost impossible to have a free internet without ads. So on one side, people w…
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Exactly, and I personally don't see anything wrong with this approach. You can't offer a free service if you can't make money from it somehow.
They could still show ads without all the invasiveness. For example: advertisers could pay to place ads in specific Facebook groups and they would show to people visiting those pages. Like it has been done for decades in magazines and other physical media. The internet did not invent advertising.
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Can you elaborate? That's not how the article makes it sound. > The European Data Protection Board (EDPB) has instructed the Irish data regulator, where Meta’s European headquarters are located, to impose a permanent ban on Meta’s use of behavioural advertising within two weeks. The EDPB states that its decision is an urgent binding instruction to enforce the ban across the EEA. Is the same happening at the newspaper…
Facebook is notorious for supporting microtargeting political ads. those that brought us the brexit and a couple more political turmoils. I couldn't care less about personalized add for toothpaste. but Facebook doesn't ban microtargeting political disinformation. classical newspapers do.
Facebook etc, while politically biased, keep profit as a target above their views, for the most part.
Brexit? I remember most news and ads were selling "no" yet "yes" happened. I recall the "no" voters either were of the category that wanted to vote against the political party in power, or of the type of voters having had enough to be told how to think.
As for the further turmoils you might be correct though. The lockdown ads campaign didn't go without some opposition but got sold to a large enough audience.
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>That's the kind of thing I don't think I should even be allowed to consent to Why not?
Because I think it's a net negative for society.
I’m asking why you think that it’s a net negative that you’re able to consent to that.