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Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by nosequel »

loeg wrote: post #276
weystrom wrote: post #16

> Everyone at Oxide makes $201,227 USD, regardless of location. Man I would love to work for a company like that. I don't know why more people don't set their startups like that.

Well, it's an immediate stumbling block to hiring anyone currently making more than that, such as senior engineers in the US.

user: sunshowers has been replying in this thread and mentioned going from FAANG-> Oxide and taking what seemed like about a 60% paycut.

Yes it is somewhat of a stumbling block, but I'm betting they are getting extremely high quality employees who are doing it for the passion and not just for the money.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by wmf »

Always_Anon wrote: post #590
jjav wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well, you can buy your own hardware and set it up with OpenStack and use it as a private cloud. Companies like Canonical or Redhat make a lot of money by providing software (mostly open source) to support exactly that use case. Sure you can, but then who will diagnose and fix your hardware/OS interaction problems when you have parts from five vendors in the mix? If you haven't lived through this, the answer is: nob…

>Sure you can, but then who will diagnose and fix your hardware/OS interaction problems when you have parts from five vendors in the mix? Dell is a single vendor that will diagnose and fix all of your hardware issues. With Oxide you're locked into what looks like a Solaris derivative OS running on the metal and you're only allowed to provision VMs which is a huge disadvantage. I run a fleet of over 30,000 nodes in th…

Dell is a single vendor that will diagnose and fix all of your hardware issues.

And you'll be down for weeks or months while they do it.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by tevon »

How do you think this will affect companies building single-tenant apps?

I can imagine SaaS businesses offering their product as a "box": making on-prem significantly easier. Deliver your software along with the hardware, hook it into their network.

Done.

Anyone with more experience have thoughts on if this will potentially become a common option for SaaS?

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by ThinkBeat »

fefe23 wrote: post #11

This is actually a pretty big deal. They sell servers, but as a finished product. Not as a cobbled together mess of third party stuff where the vendor keeps shrugging if there is an integration problem. They integrated it. It comes with all the features they expect you to want if you wanted to build your own cloud. Also, they wrote the software. And it's all open source. So no "sorry but the third party vendor droppe…

IBM invented this a long time ago. Mainframes.

>They sell servers, but as a finished product. Not as a cobbled together mess of third party stuff where the vendor keeps shrugging if there is an integration >problem. They integrated it.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by abbbi »

alberth wrote: post #597
abbbi wrote: post #593

just fooling around with their demo web console .. "A disk cannot be added or attached unless the instance is creating or stopped." "A network interface cannot be created or edited unless the instance is stopped." really?

It's a nitpick but I thought its strange in the web console, main left navigation bar, it saying "Access & IAM". Because IAM = Identity & Access Management

well, i just wanted to get a feeling what experience it would be using their web console and it seems they still have some limitations in place that have long been solved by other "hyperconverged vm-deploy" players.

Want to spin up not only 1 but 20 instances via the console? Nope. Any kind of guest agent in the virtual machine? For direct interop? How is the guest filesystem freezed during snapshot creation? Checkpoints for incremental vm backup? They seem to use raw images, not qcow2? Why?

etc..

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by alberth »

abbbi wrote: post #605
alberth wrote: post #597

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a nitpick but I thought its strange in the web console, main left navigation bar, it saying "Access & IAM". Because IAM = Identity & Access Management

well, i just wanted to get a feeling what experience it would be using their web console and it seems they still have some limitations in place that have long been solved by other "hyperconverged vm-deploy" players. Want to spin up not only 1 but 20 instances via the console? Nope. Any kind of guest agent in the virtual machine? For direct interop? How is the guest filesystem freezed during snapshot creation? Checkpo…

They have 14-years of catch up to do, to be parity with Nutanix and the likes.

Not being negative ... just calling out this is offering is super late to the game.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by Always_Anon »

wmf wrote: post #602
Always_Anon wrote: post #590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Sure you can, but then who will diagnose and fix your hardware/OS interaction problems when you have parts from five vendors in the mix? Dell is a single vendor that will diagnose and fix all of your hardware issues. With Oxide you're locked into what looks like a Solaris derivative OS running on the metal and you're only allowed to provision VMs which is a huge disadvantage. I run a fleet of over 30,000 nodes in th…

Dell is a single vendor that will diagnose and fix all of your hardware issues. And you'll be down for weeks or months while they do it.

>And you'll be down for weeks or months while they do it.

Off by a few orders of magnitude. Dell on-site SLA with pre-purchased spares was about 6 hours.

With Oxide, you'd be lucky to get same day service.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by alberth »

bigironcto wrote: post #241

I am CTO of a large global data center provider posting with throwaway account. As a technologist, I really appreciate what they have done. Impressive work, high quality, however I don't understand who this is for. The meaningful market for Data Center hardware is pretty well defined in two clusters. People that build/make custom gear (such as Hyperscalers) and people that buys HP/Cisco/IBM/Dell... (blades or hyper-c…

Re: who is this for.

My guess, someone who buys hyper-converged infrastructure today (e.g. Nutanix, VCE, etc) ... but that market is getting smaller and smaller by the day.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by exposition »

Aurornis wrote: post #545
exposition wrote: post #506

Has anybody else used Rust for embedded? Would be interested to hear your experience. So far, I’ve seen mixed reviews. Some say that you can end up using unsafe a lot and so it’s better to stick with C or even use Zig. Wondered if there was any merit to this.

> Some say that you can end up using unsafe a lot and so it’s better to stick with C or even use Zig Using unsafe in Rust isn't inherently bad. If you're doing embedded work, using unsafe is mandatory once you get to the level of interacting with the hardware. That doesn't mean the code is literally unsafe, just that the interactions are happening in a way that the compiler can't guarantee. That's completely expected…

Yep I get that- it's just that using unsafe reduces the benefits you get from Rust's model.

And so I was wondering whether using it is still worth it.

Obviously, it probably still has many benefits over C but something like Zig might be simpler and better suited.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by Aachen »

wg0 wrote: post #109
benpacker wrote: post #65

I know price will vary wildly based on how many you’re buying, but does anyone have the roughest ballpark for how much it would cost to buy one (1), or like two?

I would assume a million dollar. Ballpark.

I mean, the raw hardware surely costs around 100k, and no way that it costs more than ten million, so you're always going to be right with that "ballpark" qualification
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